so this 29-year-old contractor in a remote place gets the stuff the chief legal officer of the stando cia couldn't get to it. >> host: and do you think it has created a good debate? >> guest: i can there meta data and the phone records were valuable. i don't think this would have happened with the disclosures. but he disclosed so much more that had nothing to do with america and the american constitution that i think it is hugely damaging. >> host: do you think it is damaging because the technology can't move up fast? you said the countries will continue to work was. >> guest: it will have a chilling affect for a while. there is going to be more reluctance to share what they have and what happens if there is a shard of information ability a terrorisaattack and for whatever reason because of snowden that isn't passed on. >> host: do you think we are at a time where the government and cia needs to assume things will get out so secrets are not remaining secrets especially in this environment where we depend on the computer to keep secrets. links are inevitable. there were leaks 35 years ago