. >> i can't imagine whyhis white house would want to be exploited or put itself anywhere near what the nixon administration did. even with the kennedy administration did. this is about the opposition. puttg -- a chill on free speech. and it is about non-partisan activities, too, by non-profits for voter education. wow. if you force t disclose donors make the president disclose all of the internet donors and all of the donors that he will not disclo who donate massive aunt tv his campaigns. the irs is engaging and is being forced to engage in political favoritism and it is wrong. it is fatally naive to think that we can sit here with an irs as a tax colltor being drag flood public policy and political fight. we have seen them put there before a decades ago. it is happening again. >> what about -- the folks out there, they don't want to give the irs more power, do they? >> not at all. what's happening here is the obama administration is using the irs to data point. they are going through all of these forms and they are picking out specific things that are in common to conservative groups