up yourr norquist was earlier. he has another theory. >> i am not surprised. >> we used to have people who wanted to expand the government a little bit and they compromised. theory for why we are in such a terrible moment of polarization? i don't have a theory. i do a lot of things have happened. system it is our primary old people to the right or the left depending on which party they are in. that is exacerbated by the way congressional districts are drawn. that is up whole story. if you look of the senate, it is polarized to. it does not have to deal with districts. our political leadership has gotten out of touch with the way most people think of things. averageet a group of citizens or representatives around the table, if you give , they will sit there and talk about it and then they will cut deals. if they know they have to have a solution, they can find one. -- congressthere was that way, but it is not. because the deficit fell so quickly between 2010 and 2013, the debt is stopped casting such a long shadow o