business models out of facilitating the public's access to that copyrighted content without to havization. authorization. >> guest: so none of these people, i'm assuming, watch a television because, clearly, sony built up a pretty meaningful business making money off of other people's content by facilitating access. so did the vcr, so did tivo. these are atmosphereics. the spent has always been there is a distinction between cable companies who are monopolies and equipment providers whose job it is to build equipment that adds value to a consumer's life. now, if i was a cable company and doing this, it'd be a different story, but i'm not. i'm not technologically one, i'm not by the statutory definition, i'm not considered one by the fcc, i'm not how i operate. >> host: why not pay retransmission fees to the broadcasters? >> guest: why would we pay retransmission fees when, does any other equipment manufacturer pay retransmission fees? and, in fact, cable companies pay retransmission fees because they're monopolies. if you gave me a a monopoly on something, you know, maybe there's an oblig