you want to make sure you feel good about yourself, and you are the first celebrity besides jamie lee curtisl women, i am sorry. we are all of a certain age. and, you know, we need to be nice to one another and say it's okay. >> i think it starts with an honest conversation about the things that maybe we're vulnerable to. >> and i think it's important. because i think women are so concerned with being, you know, powerful, smart, tough -- >> looking like they've got it all together. >> -- looking like they have it all together. there are times when i am putting my -- >> i don't have it all together. >> she is great. >> yeah, she is nice. >> she actually dm'd me. and i was, like, this couldn't be bobbi brown. >> she's so real. >> totally. >> so great in an industry where being genuine and real hasn't always paid off in the past, but it's certainly paying off in a big way for her. >> yeah. >> i actually love that she -- >> you know she has all sons. so she goes home to all boys, and has this great girl world of makeup. >> yeah. >> she's created for herself. helping so many women. bobbi also has