jim tillman, david soucie. and les, a 777 captain. i want to get your reaction to the press conference we heard a short time ago. the prime minister said this was the most difficult search ever undertaken. he said we can't be certain of success, but we will not spare any effort. jeff, he said they may never find this plane. >> and he also said this was the most difficult search in human history. he talked about optimism, in the context of human beings working together to search for a plane, but not in the context of finding the plane. >> and the search zone moved again. what does this tell us about the satellite and ping data that they're using? >> well, it's a matter of the assumptions they're using. adjusting them based on other information they're getting. we don't know. that's all it tells us at this point. >> and michael, the search area moved because they were sighting very few objects there. how do you make that determination? >> well, because of the vastness of the area, they have to make a quick decision and move on. there's

jim tillman a retired american airlines pilot, former adviser to the u.k. a military pilot and tactical instruction and a 777 captain. jim, to you first. many people have been surprised there are no cameras in the cockpit already. should they be mandatory moving forward? >> no. i say that because i think to begin with the airline pilot is a member of a profession that is scrutinized more carefully and completely than any other profession on the planet. they know everything that's going on that we are doing, every move we make. because it is recorded in terms of how it is affected. they know we have moved the controls a way, they know we moved a certain power setting or we climbed to certain altitude. >> you are saying that but not in this case. we don't have that information in this case. >> you wouldn't have it if the camera was there either. can't find the rest of the wreckage. >> if the camera had streamed we would have that. >> well, now we are talking about a different level of technology. you are talking about streaming information out of the cockpit.

jim tillman, who is a former retired american airlines pilot. ing in the right place and the australian prime minister says within a couple of kilometers. >> well, i don't know how he measures the kilometer, but as i can tell you right now as i measure just plain old common sense about this there is no reason where the plane should even be where they say it is. >> and you agree with that? >> totally, 100%. >> why do you say that? >> because how can we say that? a few kilometers, you cannot hear a pinger with a few kilometers, that doesn't work. >> he says within some kilometers. but that is very tough to believe. one of our guests, jeffrey thomas said the search was 20 miles by 20 miles. you don't believe -- he said a smaller area, you don't believe 20 miles -- >> that is 400 square miles. and it is a big area. and on the titanic that was the size of the area and it took two months before they found the titanic. >> yeah, michael kay, though, we spoke to a family member earlier who said he wanted more information from inmarsat. more information fr

jim tillman, retired american airlines pilot, aviation attorney arthur rosenburg, and of course jeffrey thomas, back with us from perth. david, you say in jean's piece that additional countries coming forward to help could complicate efforts. what's the alternative, though? >> well, the idea is that as time -- there's a time in investigation when you stop doing and start thinking. that's important, really important. and most of the my investigations, i spent at least 80% of our time planning and figuring it out and analyzing data. and only about 20% do you actually go out and do. now, those investigations didn't involve this type of search, obviously. but with this type of search, it's so important that it's a coordinated effort. there's a strategy, a plan for how it goes forward. just throwing more people at the problem won't fix it. i think it will help financially, it will help a lot. people are going to pitch in on this project, bring in some more expertise. you need to select people with a team based on qualifications and what they bring to the team. not simply that it's more count

i think at this point the flight data recorder. >> jim tillman?hat, and just hope something is there. >> jeff wise? >> i hate to be boring, but i'm going to side with everybody else. i believe the mystery is in that black box. >> and what about david souci? >> let's make it unanimous. >> it is unanimous, and i didn't even have to rush you guys or not speak to one of you. so you believe that all the clues will come from the black boxes? everything we need to know from the black boxes and not necessarily from the wreckage or from investigating the pilots? >> well, if i can jump in here, i mean, we hope that the answers will be there. we don't know, and definitely it is going to be interesting to see the wreckage. whatever answers are not in the black box. investigators are going to have to lock at the wreckage, you know, pull it up off the sea bed to look at the components and see how they're affected by the crash. >> all right, thank you everybody. rememb remember, the bluefin-21 will come back up, let's hope it is working properly so it can stay d

joining me now jim tillman, mary schiavo, rob mccallum. m, what was your reaction when you heard this new nugget? >> i didn't know what to make of it. i still don't. i don't know what to make of it except he forgot to turn it off. if we have a record that he tried to say to someone or signal somehow it would have meant a lot more. >> air pressure commercial pilot for 30 years. did you have your phone on as a matter of course? >> no, i did not. as a matter of fact, that would have been one of the last things i would have to do. i still bought into the fact we shouldn't have cell phones operating while the airplane is flying. >> mary, do you think the recent faa or ftc and faa says it's cool to leave your electronic devices on in the airplane mode, could that explain the pilot's actions or like jim most leave them off? >> well, i think it depends. it goes nation by nation. united states is kind at the forefront of that. so, i think that on any aircraft where it's banned and i don't know if they were still banned on malaysian air or not, but,

jim tillman a retired american airlines pilot and steven marks representing families of air flight 404 go 7. you have blank the resumes and that is why we're here. >> it is clear and is used in was to stop people from saying they're not being transparent in this investigation. >> i feel like i was seeing a completely different presentation from some of the other panelists here tonight. >> keep going. >> i feel like there was no news, nothing new was said. the thing he made clear was i will come at you regularly, i am going to download this information on you and an ongoing basis and you'll never again be able to complain you are not getting information. >> i would have to disagree with you. there was some new information there, the apparatus going in the water and what was out there, he clarified that. also said we have concerns, maybe they don't know what they are doing because they keep shifting the search area. he said that is what happens, you refine the information and the day you get and you repine the search area. that was new information. >> you can also interpret him to say we

. >> jim tillman, you have been pessimistic. you said, hey, listen -- you've been leery. i'm not sure if they're even searching in the right place. did that help you at all, to think they're searching the right area? >> the thing i got out of the press conference was the impressive array of talent that had been lined up to work on this. it's a world-class approach and a team that i'm getting more confidence in every time i hear about it. i'm impressed with that. however, i'm with jeff. i didn't get the feeling. this thing has been teased all day as a big announcement. well, we knew they were going to do under-water searching and we knew they were going to do this, and move this. it wasn't brand new, fascinating information so far as i'm concerned. i'm just hoping that it does mean more than it appears to be. >> mary, i don't know if it would be fair to say, this is the new beginning to the investigation, this is phase 2, where the coordination kicks in and people should really start paying even more attention? >> well, not just in coordination. i guess the feeling i got o

you know, jim tillman, you have been a big proponent of visual search for debris despite the lack ofu disappointed the authorities will be tapering the search off in the next two or three days, especially given the fact that new zealanden searchers are trying to identify the things they saw. >> yes. they say it takes another month or so. and we still have the above surface sightings going on. if we can get some sightings that will pay out to be sure enough, parts of that airplane, that's going to be huge. if for no other reason than the fact that it's going to bring everybody back on board mentally and emotionally and everything else to believe that hey, we're in the right place, we got the right ideas and now we're on the right track. i think that's a very important element. >> brett larson, we're grad you are here. much of this information came from satellite data. what do you think about the quality of the information now at hand for searchers? >> i think it's good, but i think given where we are as a nation and a world, it can be a whole lot better. this was a big popular discuss

do you agree with that, jim tillman, do you think it would be floating at that point? >> i do.an't imagine a situation where you wouldn't have anything that was floating to the surface because there are so many parts of that tharm would find a way to get to the surface. it's always ban puzzle for me. >> david, do you agree it would be still floating. >> yeah. if you think of the construction of things simply as the meal and drink carts they are made out of honeycomb structures that are aluminum or plastic and epoxied together and it would take many years for that de degrade to the point where it wouldn't float. >> why haven't we seen any -- that's odd. maybe the debris is further south or what. >> we're not looking in the right area yet. >> all right. >> it's all so bizarre. thank you, guys. thank you very much, eric and thank you panel. everyone else stay with me. as the search narrows how are the families handling the latest developments? and next i will talk to the husband of a flight 370 passenger. (dad) well, we've been thinking about it and we're just not sure. (agent) i

schiavo, michael kay, jeff wise, the author of "extreme fear: the science of your mind in danger," jim tillmanamerican airlines pilot. also, jeffrey thomas, editor and chief of airlineratings.com, and richard quest is back with me. why don't i start with you, richard. it's been 32 days in this search. the most promising lead so far. but how promising is this lead, do you think? >> it was very promising last night. optimistic, encouraging, all the words we heard. and tonight, commander marks, i think of the seventh fleet, who's been very much involved in keeping us informed, we spoke to him at length last night. he said he was less encouraged, because they haven't heard anything from this from the last 30-odd hours. and more than that, he said, started to suggest that as the pinger life span dwindles, he's looking now to when he hears the from the australians, when, what's the next path, when will they decide to use -- >> and possibly what we're going to hear at 11:00 eastern, in about 45 minutes. >> possibly, indeed. >> bill nye, i wonder, does that mean that the battery life has run out? or a

. >> reporter: jim tillman is an aviation expert with decades of experience as a lpilot for american airlines and army corps of engineers. he says if amount of debris on top of the water would vary based on the scenario of how the plane went down. if it went down at a steep dive at high speeds, that's what happens to an alaskan airlines jet that plunged into the pacific in 2000 killing every one on board. midwest of the wreckage would go under water, but not all. >> it's not like sticking your hand into the water, it's like slamming your car into a brick wall. that's the more likely result of that kind of situation. you're going to have lots of debris. >> reporter: what if there was a catastrophic explosion in the plane's last few seconds. that's what happens with twa flight 800 off the coast of long island in 1996 and pan am 193 over lockerbie, scotland. >> in any case while an airplane breaks up while in the air, you'll have a wider debris field. you may well have small fraegmentes of the aircraft that are going to be identifiable. >> reporter: then the hijacking of an ethiopians a