karlene i want to get to first, someone sent this question. this is from sara.e transmission of the distress call from south korean ferry and nothing from mh370 six weeks later. why? i think that's true. sara is referring to audio between the air traffic control and cockpit. is that a fair point? >> yeah, there wouldn't be a distress call from the cockpit. if there was nothing wrong with the airplane. if they had an emergency where they had a fire, rapid depressurization, they would have declared an emergency. >> it appears we're getting information, my point is, we're getting information much more quickly with the ferry. it's been six weeks for the airplane and about a week for the ferry. >> we see the ferry, we know what happened to it. we don't know what happened to the aircraft, and the search was retained in one area for directly underneath where it initially went missing for four days. they never even expanded that search. i think there was the problem with the suspect that it blew up and they were looking for debris for four days right underneath where th

>> i think karlene is right on the money.ape is concerned i don't think there is any chance there is a smoking gun on the atc tapes or we would have heard about that. that would be guiding the investigation right now. and as far as the -- she's right on the money as far as what happened with the plane. somebody flew the plane, whether it was hitting heading select or programming it through the fms. but we know now, as far as the logbooks are concerned that would make it irrelevant. we don't think the plane broke. we think it flew for a long way. not as a result of mechanical malfunction but human intervention. >> i see you -- you seem so uncomfortable in your seat. >> well, just the comment, we know now because we don't know now. we have a variety of statements from the authorities that basically say it was deliberate, but we don't know why or how. so i venture to respectfully disagree. to say we know now, we don't, sir. >> yeah, we do know. >> do you care to respond to that? >> we know so much about it. we know where the pla

i think karlene, like all of us they want to know what happened in that cockpit. >> yeah, they do.g with the logbook. it is irrelevant. we know the plane was intact. it flew for seven hours. there wasn't a fire and it didn't fall out of the sky. it actually flew. any maintenance on that is irrelevant because the airplane was working fine. we know there was human intervention. a pilot did -- whether the auto pilot was on or not, it wasn't programmed to fly around australia. somebody did it. they were probably using the heading select if it was on. so a person did this. the only thing about the atc, if they have it and somebody did get in to the cockpit and could be something horrific on that communication, there could be a reason why they don't want to let it out and let us hear it. robert you are not in agreement. let's hear it. >> i think she is right on the money. as far as the tape is concerned i don't think there is any chance there is a smoking gun on the atc taps or we would have heard about that. that would be guiding the investigation right now. as far as the -- she's right