he was the one on september 14th and 15th told mike morell, in fact, there was no protest. today mike morell said i relied more on the analyst here in washington as opposed to those on the ground. how does it change the way the cia operated in the last couple of decades. >> i think there's two huge issues here. one is not only was it the station chief but all of the military folks we've interviewed and others on the ground said there was no protest. this was a terrorist attack. yet, as you heard, the cia deputy director chose to go with analyst in washington rather than all those folks on the ground. why did he do that? did he feel such pressure to confirm to the narrative from the white house did he feel that pressure to even if he wasn'ted instructed to. second, i tried to get to it in my second round of questions, how independent and objective is the cia today. i think it raises those issues. i asked the director, is the cia more independent now than when you came 30 years ago. he hem hawed around. that's a serious question if you're going to rely on analysts in washingt

mike morell. director of cia. one critical element is talking points and why. what morell said classified sources told us al qaeda was involved but because they were classifieded sources that was not part of the talking points passed around washington, d.c. and then he conceded i wish it was in there. but you heard several lawmakers, they admitted they were confused and confounded by that response. even if they're classified sources why would not information not been contained in there. katherine herring has been reporting on this from day one, 2012 and again today. katherine, the headlines from this hearing are what? >> just a short time ago there was an exchange which seemed to summarize the frustration of the republican members on the house intelligence committee. essentially what the former acting director of the cia. michael morell testified to is that the buck stops with me on the talking points. i was responsible for the changing. there was no outside political interest. but this explanation just did not seem to hold water for a number of members, rather.

mike morell, clapper. a lot of people say he lied when he testified.he house who can't seem to get email documents out of the irs, taking forever. lois lerner took the fifth last may and they still haven't resolved it, even as of today. so, what in the world, how are you going to get answers to any of this. >> well, we need a select committee in the house to look at the cia, the state department, and the department of defense as one unit. mike morell testified last welcome he mislead the committee. >> mislead or lied? i mean, like mislead seems -- you said lied at one point. >> yeah, well, he lied to me. he said he corrected the record regarding the meeting he had with me, mccain and ayotte. you know, susan rice wanted to talk to the three of us to convince us that she gave the best evidence as to what happened in benghazi on 16 september. when she said it was a protest, no al qaeda attack caused by hateful video. she brought mike morell, the number two at the time acting director of the cia eventually to explain to us why the intelligence justified wh

it's worth noting now mike morell works for an outfit called beacon global strategies. a partner there is a close friend of hillary clinton. and mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off

minutes" for simply interviewing somebody who told a story that was not accurate. >> interesting. >> mike morell it looks like cbs has got a crazy double standard. >> right. >> on morell's third testimony here, we will definitely be keeping you posted. >> lara logan almost lost her life for that network covering the egyptian upheaval and overthrow of hosni mubarak. >> which would give more weight to the possible suspicious remark. we're going to look into that. >> let's hope they get good answers from mike morell. >> you would think that the president would be too jet lagged to give a pep rally yesterday at the white house. but he wasn't. at 4:15 eastern time, he took a bow. and with the man to his right who said this is a big bleeping deal four short years ago, he said we reached our goal to obamacare. it is here to stay. hello, everybody. it's working. and if you're against it, you just don't want people to be healthy and have insurance. >> enough with the tall tales and complaining. here we have. we have this 7.1 million. we have the decimal point there, but not the information on who has pai

it's worth noting now mike morell works for an outfit called beacon global strategies. a partner there is a close friend of hillary clinton. and mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off

in the hot seat, is mike morell.er of fronts including possibility he lied and passed states from lied and passed states from . why that guidance, was ignored. martha: ail background on morell. he is a 33 year-veteran of the cia. twice served as acting director. he was deputy director from may of 2010 until august of last year. he was a key aid to president bausch on september 11th, 2001. he was one who ran analysis of possible connections between saddam hussein and al qaeda. rich lowery joins us, editor of "national review" and a fox news contributor. rich, good to have you here. >> hi, martha. martha: interesting to get started morell's back browned. he worked under republican president. he is now working with a firm that is connected to hillary clinton. and a lot of people raising questions about what might have been his political motivation perhaps to ignore the chief of station who said no, there was no protest outside of that embassy or that consulate that evening? >> this is the great mystery from the beginnin

we had not only mike morell breaking susan rice in that instance. the kind of things -- >> who still doj investigation that's open. still has a department of justice investigation. >>> there are huge unanswered questions about every aspect of this thing. if you look at what morell testified to, he said in effect that the talking points weren't discussed at this very important september 15th deputies committee involving the white house. every email that we've seen leading up to that meeting said the talking points will be discussed, finalized and resolved at that meeting. there's a huge gap there and i think we need to get answers to the question. >> ab, you covered the hill. senator mccain said he was surprised by chairman rogers retirement and we heard that he sent out a fundraising letter one week before announcing that retirement. what do you think the real story is there. >> i think the real story is what mike rogers is saying it just surprised everybody. all of his colleagues in the house and senate, democrat and republican, everybody is stunne

mike morell made eight different changes to the talk points. martha, every single one of the changes he made, going from an attack to demonstration, from terrorism to extremist, every one of those changes was calculated to cast this administration in a more favorable light. >> it's interesting because he said he took the word "islamic" out because he didn't want to further fan the flames that he felt were simmering across that entire area. and we did see the outrage and protests that happened in cairo. and there was that belief that maybe this was what occurred here. but as you pointed out clearly in the first 24 hours they knew this was a very orchestrated and militarily sophisticated attack. so why would he feel he needed to remove that word from that testimony given the fact that they knew at that point that that's exactly what it was? >> well, mike morell gave two explanations, both of which are patently absurd. number one, he said that he didn't want to spawn more violence. if we just apologize enough, particularly to countries that don't

the "a-team" on who mike morell was trying to protect lou: joining us is the "a team."n williams pulitzer prize-winning journalist judith miller. and co-host of "red eye." let's turn to obamacare. they pushed it over the top 7.one. all laelia. >>. >> the majority of the press reports that number not even uncritically. the question never just take the government's word for anything? when yadministration that is all about your plan you can keep your plan of this issue specifically how do you trust them? i don't get it. lou: i cannot find an instance where they have not been caught lying. you say that should not be a profound edifice? >> also why don't they have accurate data how many people have paid? how hard is it to get that data? lou: good questions. >> how hard was it to get a website that people could sign on to? lou: you are turning on them. >> give them the benefit of the dow we will see how many are paying premiums it is more or less than the national average for clients such a broken record we cannot make judgments and tell all numbers are in with experience. >>

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jon: mike morell was a career cia officer. he served under the bush administration. what would be his motivation, you know, as apolitical intelligence guy to rewrite the talking points or to manipulate the talking points to make the administration happy? >> well the fact is that every turn he did do what the administration wanted and as i pointed out and again, gave an explanation for this, he is now in a very prominent firm which has a number of people from the state department, from the administration who were there and he is doing very well with them. whether or not that is the reason i don't know. maybe he just wanted to endear himself. maybe he thought he had a chance to become the next cia director. during this time general petraeus was under investigation as we found out later. could be well that michael morell thought he could have a chance to become the head of the cia, the fact of the matter is the cia was not listening to the station chief and peel on the ground last night who said this had nothing to do with the video, is that correct. >> absolutely. ever

. >> and let's start with mike morell and his testimony i found just absolutely flummoxing. this is a man who had basically denied much of what he had acknowledged and admitted to today, and at the same time, seemingly, he was very artful in not giving up anything new. your thoughts? >> well, i was very disappointed to the discover that he had clearly information from the field, multiple sources from the field, primary sources who actu actually saw what took place and others who were reporting on what took place, and chose the discount those in favor of a langley analyst. this analyst that he is making reference to unnamed, obviously, is well thought of at langley and obviously well thought of at the committee he is briefing today, at least he alleged that. and beside that i am stunned that he chose to go with the analyst's judgment on this the all of the way to the weekend when finally he could not ignore it anymore. and all of that said, mike morell and while he has a great reputation in the government spent most of his years at langley and not in the field where he was ge

, mike morell said nothing.the talking points and took out certain parts that had the c.i.a. who had put up red flag, security is an issue and follow-up is an issue and he went and took it out to make the state department look better and he also initially blamed the f.b.i that's why senator lindsey graham flat out yesterday said he lied. so this is a huge deal that's not going away. people want to say there is too much of a focus. but how can you take your eyes off this ball if there is so much still wrong? >> sure. exactly. and there are a number of u.s. senators who are on the republican side who say we need a select committee with a professional investigator -- not congressman who just had five minutes to ask questions. they need the select committee. you asked mike rogers about that and the first thing he said was, well that, would be expensive. so when we're look for answers, we still need them. >> particularly the cost of human life so we understand what was lost there might be worth the investment to put

mike morell will testify tomorrow in front of the house intelligence committee under oath. according to the "washington times" the memo was issued on september 15th, 2012, four days after the attack and said the assassination was not, was not due to any escalation of pro-says tests. the memo was allegedly written by the cia station chief in libya. so mike morell may be in serious trouble because, as everybody knows, the obama administration put out ambassador susan rice to tell the world that intense protests may have incited the attack, after, after that cia memo. now, the big picture. president obama was running for re-election terrorist benghazi and his there could have been a political motivation to keep terrorists out of the benghazi debacle. if the the obama administration lied, that's cooperated in the lie. as we all know from watergate, abuses of power can lead to very bad things. so, benghazi is is a big story whether the left wants to admit it or not. to be fair we need to hear from mr. morell under oath and people should not be making blanket accusations against

and he is going to say well then i asked mike morell and mike morell said well, there could have beens and there could have been that, mr. president. it seems to me you are never going to nail down a sole villain here. >> the headline from today, bill is morell took the fall for hillary clinton and barack obama. that's what this is. it can't be lost on people that his current job is working for four individuals who started a consulting company. three of whom are major hillary supporters. >> he pointed that out, yes. absolutely. >> one philip reigns is the gate keeper for hillary clinton. this is the narrative that if hillary clinton decides to run for president in 2016, this will be the narrative. and they will blame it on some bureaucrats at langley here in america who came up with an inclusion that it was protester. so they will point to some underlings, rather than they had knowledge. even the state department during the attack, bill, put out two cables that said they -- number one, they knew it was terrorism and, number two, they knew that it could be ansar al al sharia al qaeda g

the deputy director, mike morell decides to take it out. that strikes me as somebody who is look out for the political interests of the white house. he takes out the word islamic, he hides from the congress the fact that the cia removed al qaeda. and he himself, takes out the reference to the warnings state department, it looks to me like is he doing the political work of the white house and trying to ingratiot himself with 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> karl, thank you. don't forget when fox is pushing to get more information, we got banned from the cia briefing that they did. that was a little bit funny. but anyway, whatever. thank you, karl. >> you bet. >> coming up a too mail reporter says she was bullied at a feminist conference. >> we know. >> what did you say? >> you guys aren't wanted here. >> we are not wanted here. >> looks like exclusive of everybody. >> you heard right. bullied for being conservative. that reporter is here to tell you her story next. fox is tracking dangerous weather in texas. test test too mail reporter was bulli

boss mike morell faces the house intelligence committee on the terror attacks in benghazi.ng he ignored reports from the benghazi station chief in the days after the attacks. morell also down played his role in editingç those controversial talking points and he denies outside influence. take a listen to what he said about leaving out the word "islamic." >> and the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything to further inflame those passions and so that's why i took the word islamic out. it was a misjudgment. the second reason i took it out is because what other kind of extremists are there in libya? >> according to one operator watching the hearing -- one reporter that should be -- morell doesn't have any idea what happened that night and didn't understand why he speculated during the hearing saying, quote, he wouldn't have to speculate if he talked to the people in libya that night. >>> caught onç camera, the amazing moment when a pilot in brazil landed a plane on only its back wheels. look at this. look closely here. the plane's nose never touches down in the landing.

mike morel, we'll see what comes out. it looks like and smells like he cooked the books for political reasons. we'll so what the ultimate judgment is. that concerns me as a former inteleigence professional. one thing you don't want to do to this country, is turn intelligence in politics and polit sideways. it the president has to hear the truth and by the way, except when there is an urgent need to dope the secret. the president has to tell the truth to the american people. it locks like intelligence was politicalizeda on the highest levels of the cia and they lied to the american people knowingly. >> why is it a conflict of interest? on one hand they are supposed to provide information to the white house. are they not supposed to have a roll in the political roll out, afterwards, is that what you are saying? no, they should never play politics and obviously they have to meet the president's intelligence requirements and he asks the questions and handle it. >> but the point is to give him authority. tell him what you beli

mike morell was on that call. what was said.cks was on that call the cia station chief was on that call. what did they discuss in did they tell mike morell that there had been no protests? >> that's a good question. that's it for the panel. abbreviated because of the breaking news. a shooting at fort hood, texas. we have new information on the other side of the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we'll give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, the repairs are guaranteed for life. so call... to talk with an insurance expert about every

first you have people saying the cia did the talking points then mike morel says he did -- seems to me like jay carney has a new line of defense. when he's going to get peppered with questions about benghazi, that's to read the promos from the sunday talk shows, right? explain that. >> well, i saw an e-mail exchange with somebody at the white house that had a quote from our show on september 11th. they're going back to stuff in the early days when there was not a lot of information on the press side. what we were getting was from administration officials. they were telling us that it was all related to these protests and the video. what came out is that they knew through their internal chain that this attack was a terrorist attack that was well organized from the very beginning. greg hicks testified on the hill that he called hillary clinton that night and said this was a terrorist attack and this was not just something that sprouted up. and hillary clinton put out a release at 10:00 p.m. on 9/11 that said -- >> she did. >> the video -- >> she did. one other quick thing. judicial watch

tonight, mike morell, former deputy director of the cia, on what happened in benghazi and how the cia responded. >> so i was traveling overseas. i was in amman, jordan. my staff actually woke me up in the middle of the night to tell me about what was happening in benghazi. >> charlie: what did they say? they woke me up the first time to tell me about the attack on the state department complex and, by the time they woke me up, they told me about the attack. they told me our officers from our base in benghazi had gone to the state department facility to help rescue the state department folks and that they brought them back to our compound where there was a second attack that our officers repulsed and then they told me everything was quiet. at that point, i went back to bed, only to be woken up a few hours later by my staff to be told that our facility was under attack for a second time, this time with much heavier weapons to include mortars. >> charlie: mike morell for the hour, next. >> there's a saying around here: you stand behind what you say. around here, we don't make excuses, we

mike morell says there was no political motivation when he deleted references to terrorism. he faced three hours of questioning on capitol hill wednesday. >> we did not deliberately downplay the role of terrorists in the benghazi attack in our analysis or in the talking points, and neither i nor anyone else at the agency deliberately mislead anyone in congress about any aspect of the tragedy in benghazi. >> morrell says the terror ties were removed to avoid the gloating at the expense of the state department. four americans including ambassador chris stevens were killed in two attacks in benghazi, libya, in 2012. morrell is now a cbs news national contributor. >>> and the malaysia prime minister says the tragedy of flight 370 won't finish until answers. he made the comments while at the base where the efforts are being orchestrated. the australians leading the search warned it's one of the most complicated in history. up to eight planes and nine ships are scouring the zone this morning. >>> coming up on the "morning news," money and politics. reaction to the supreme court's

and mike morel in the benghazi talking points.s people participated in the benghazi attacks and affiliated with al-qaeda and still on the battle fold. we have a capacity to get them. and we have threats that we take off of the battle fold and because of this administration's kinder and gentler approach we have not done that. it is aid in the concept of a global war on terror. he doesn't think that we were attack of war by the terrorist and thinks that the way to handle it is through the law enforcement paradigm and no victory to be achieved. i think that explains how the administration handled terror since it took office and how they handled benghazi. >> the reason why rogers is speaking this way. he thinks that al-qaeda learns from our own response and he cited in the article magazine. in the cole attack nothing was done. and that empowered al-qaeda to carry out 9/11 in new york. what do you think of that? >> it was not only the cole. but the attacks on the embassies in kenya. and the truck bomb on the world war ii in the early 1

cia's top intelligence officer in libya who reported there were no protests the former cia deputy mike morelltold lawmakers i gave more consideration to the intelligence analysts were assessing at the headquarters here in the states saying the ground report was not as compelling and was based on lose evidence. >> iffism looking for the cia judgment about what happened in a particular case i would go to my analyst not to people on the ground. >> susan rice rehearsed days after the attack rice down-played his roll in editing that. specifically why he took the word islamic out of the bullet points even saying the state department at the end was still unhappy with his contributions. >> the last thing i wanted to do was to do anything to further inflame those passions. that's why i took the word islamic out. it was a judgment. the second reason ill took it out is what other kind of extremists are there in libya? >> according adam housley, f morell doesn't have anything to do with what happened that night he doesn't know why he was speculating about that night. if he talked to the people in libya t

. >> recently, mike morel was here. you know him well. we talked about torture. he said an interesting thing. khalid sheikh mohammed, he said do not dare mention the courier. >> he said that? that's interesting. i heard he was reticent about that. i did not really see actually said those words. that is how they put two in two together. >> one person said one thing and in between -- >> we tried to trace the courier. i knew i would get stopped trying to go up to the mountain. the courier's father left the mountains and moved to kuwait. he did find people who knew the family that he immediately got into trouble with cisi. he was told to get out of town and stop asking questions. something is very controlled about it all. >> are you worried about nuclear weapons? >> it used a lot of the money they have received since 9/11. it is the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. that's very alarming. on the other hand, i understand the pakistani military is an impressive organization and many of them are responsible citizens. i just think they have to have civilian ov

deputy director mike morel. >> we did not deliberately down play the role of terrorists in our analysis or talking points. >> this comes as senator dianne feinstein blasted the agency over allegations, interrogation activities after 9/11. sr. director john brennan denies that, this feud is not going away any time soon. >> i will explain tot president exactly what i did and what the findings were and he the one that can ask me to stay or to go. >> on thur, a senate committee will, expected to show that the cia misled the pilkington on the use and value of using torture on detainees. for more we're joined from washington, d.c. by mike m mazetti. good to have you with us. let's start with mike morale and his testimony on wednesday. crafting those infamous talking points, argued that the results, down play the attack that it was a terrorist attack from the benefit of the obama election campaign. what happened, was this an issue of competence, ignoring a cia station chief that was there and telling you what's going on? >> morel indicated talking points were inartfully created, the land was n

mike morell, the former deputy cia director said when he was asked before congress just a couple of weekso didn't come from the cia that's not us and the question was back in may, but it remains today, where did the video story come from? it's not clear from this that this story originated with ben rhodes. hillary clinton made a reference to the video earlier that day, but it came from somewhere and we don't know where and what else is clear is that the administration has been playing games with producing documents. these documents had been subpoenaed back in august. they didn't respond to those and now there are questions about what was classified in the versions that were given to members of congress, what was made public in response to these foia requests and i expect we will get significant attention on those issues in the coming days. >> as we saw in that clip, all chains, not just greg hicks, but the military and intelligence chain from the ground up were throwing up the info that this was a terrorist attack and there was no protest. what do you make of this whole back and forth and

lucky they have not had to testify, they are on the edge of punchry here as it -- perjury as is mike morell. lou: i was going to ask about cia deputy director for a while, his testimony converts what the white house -- contra cer vertst the white house is defending itself this borders on preposterous, awkward explanations, this is unredacted now, after the freedom of information request by judicial watch but redacted when sent to congress, it is preposterous that white house would say it has nothing to do with benghazi, when that is precisely what it is responding to, the issue of benghazi. >>, of course, e-mail from ben rhodes himself, said these demonstrations, that includes benghazi they attributeed it to the mohamad video. they have gravely wounded the agency, they are guilty of what bush administration was often accused of but did not do, that is politicize ill tellgence, cia -- intelligence, the cia should not have been involveed. try to hide behind the cia is a big mistake from top of agency on down. stkphao and how significant to you -plgtthink this developments this a pivotal point

i don't think that anybody is forth coming and even if mike morel said. station chief said there was no protest. it doesn't make sense. >> and republicans would argue, it is not a good enough reason to turn your back on it. david, final word? >> yes, you have to dig for this. there are four dead americans and that outweighs the embarrassment and time for speaker boehner to step up and call and let the process play out. it is investigation and oversight and time to take the political argument out of it and put the facts on the table. >> he told megyn the other night. four committees doesn't want to get in the middle of the investigation. dave, thank you. and krifrten. enjoy tucson. see you both soon. >> secretary of state john kerry on the hot seat as a former senate colleague slammed him over the obama administration handling of foreign issues. and john mccain slammed jerry yesterday. >> secretary kerry, i watch with great interest some of your comments and i say you are about to hit the trifecta. guesteva two was a total collapse as i predicted to you th

mike morell * defending his actions.ng allegations that he or the agency bowed to political pressure to change the white house's talking points. here is one ex change between the chair mike roarnlings and morell. >> with all of our training and experience and gut reaction did you believe that was the right decision? >> i believed what my analysts said that there was a protest. i also believed it to be a terrorist attack. we never saw those two things as mutually exclusive. i believed both of those at the same time. bill: one of the americans killed was sean smith. his uncle is with me out of charlotte, north carolina. thank you for coming back and talking with us. you watched the entire hearing yesterday. what did you take away from it? >> i thought in essence mr. morell threw the analysts under the bus which was cowardly but that's to be expected. i wasn't told until this point that the cia was so concerned about the sensitivity of the state department. come on. you know. the conversation got moved forward a bit. but i'

. >> because imagine how it would have been the other day when mike morell was there and for examplehe staff chief who they were talking about that day, the gentleman on the ground for the cia in benghazi whom he decided not to listen to in the ultimate talking points -- imagine if he or she had been sitting next to him during that testimony. >> yeah, or imagine if the second in command on the ground in benghazi, greg hicks, who's already testified, had been sitting next to him. greg hicks was on that telephone call that morell testified about. when he heard what the official version was, he had a reaction that i can't say on camera. >> wow. how do you go about getting this select committee? >> you need authorization from -- you need the permission from the leadership of the house, which is the speaker. >> why hasn't this happened thus far, do you think? >> well, i'm not psychic, so i can't really tell you. there have been a couple of suggestions, one of which is that it could be a political decision in the sense that republicans feel they've got a good issue to run on, which is obam

mcguirk's pinhead is the cia guy mike morell who testified this week, go. >> what i did, in septemberd absolutely nothing to do with my going to work for beacon in november of 2013. let me tell you. >> now, that is the company that he works for tied to hillary clinton and democratic -- now, first of all about this guy, all right? what kind all right, what kind of hair dye is he using? is that clariol? >> i used to use it. that's what saved my hair. >> your hair fell out. >> all right. so i didn't believe a word the guy said. >> not at all. this guy is a total weasel. why do we care? there's four dead americans. we all know this stuff. but people -- their eyes glaze over at this point. this thing, the people he works for was started by leon panetta, this consulting firm. three people, former people from the state department who work under hillary clinton. he's working for that firm. so he was kind of hiding, covering up for her. he says he didn't deliberately mislead or deliberately down play the role. not a word. >> what do you -- >> there's nothing about his track record that would i

let's talk about what has come out in the last few days regarding former acting cia director mike morell. there was a lot of question about the talking points about whether who changed them. he had originally said at one point it was the fbi. he talked about the fbi being responsible for changing those talking points and e-mails released by the administration shows he edited like 50% of the texts. those are the administration details. that raises other questions about at least there's a perception to some people that when those things surface they wonder what else they're not being told. >> well, look, this is the point about how this has been an utter and complete distraction. the argument over the talking points really sort of reflected where we were at in our fight against al qaeda. and this is something that is either been willfully misunderstood by the republicans or simply not understood. al qaeda as it originally attacked us on 9/11 was a very centralized organization. it was al qaeda senior leadership. what both president bush and president obama have been very successful at is s

, heated testimony this week on capitol hill as lawmakers challenged former cia deputy director mike morel over his role in the benghazi talking points insisting politics did not play a role. joining us to talk more about the benghazi scandal and other news, south carolina republican congressman trey gowdy. great to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk for a moment about what's at play with the benghazi scandal. certainly a lot of folks were quite dismayed by the testimony, particularly because of the way he attempted to work very directly to remove any reference to al qaeda and saying that there was no evidence of terrorism that took place in the situation there. how did you feel about his testimony overall? >> well, uma, he made a half dozen changes to the talking points, and every change he made was calculated to cast the administration in a more favorable light. he changed the word attack to demonstration. he deleted any reference to al qaeda. he changed the word terrorist to extremist, and importantly, he just washed out all of the prior notice that the state depar

. >> let's move to benghazi because i watched the mike morell -- i don't know how many americans sawhe thing i walk away with is thinking to myself, why was he not going with eyewitness accounts, why was he going with analysts? why did he feel so comfortable with that? michael mukasey weighed in, the former attorney general, says we need a new approach to how we get answers in order to fix these things. >> mukasey, with a very stinging op ed in the "wall street journal" about the whole process, saying that not only was there this kabooky theater, as he calls it in the house intelligence committee, but there are not these pointed questions that need to get answers on this case and that it's been obfuscation and he wants to go for real answers. a lot of people called for that, but it has not moved forward in the house or the senate. there is some push that happen. >> sure. because michael mukasey, he wass and gals get five minutes. they've got small staffs, they've got a lot of work to do. not many of them are former prosecutors and so they might not ask exactly the right question. it'

eric: during testimony mike morell the former deputy of the cia said the talking points, it wasn't us. could susan rice be subpoenaed to testify before the senate or the house? >> i think she could be in her capacity as u.n. ambassador. the question that's people have, whether this was all more political spin just a few months from the 2012 elections, one that's not been answered. more realms answers were the d mor --morell's answers were thaa bureaucrat. eric: the white house says it wasn't us. how do you get to the point to say no it was her. >> i think it's a big mistake for the cia to write talking points. eric: the cia or the talking points are political. >> the talking points are political. they can look at them for protecting intelligence but that many all. the real place accountability has to be felt is the president. he's not faced that accountability. eric: what do you think will happen in the end? >> i wish congress would get its act together and have a select committee. a year and a half after the attack where is the retaliation. the terrorists think under barack obama you

mike morell also involved there, saying, he was the deputy c.i.a.knew this was dangerous and warned ahead of time and that they didn't wants to look basically too good and make the f.b.i. and administration look too bad. i feel bad for this guy, growingry hicks, who stood up and sounded the alarm and was the whistle blower and he's paid in his career. >> fox news has continued to cover this and we'll continue to do to. now a look at what else is making news. >> good morning. talk being a story in oklahoma. it could affect other states. executions in the state of oklahoma are now on a hold after a new drug cocktail failed to kill an inmate immediately. he died 43 minutes later. clayton lockett's vein ruptured after the first much three injections that he was supposed to get. some witnesses say that the convicted murderer then tried to get up off the gurney and said man, before he died of a heart attack. this was the first time the state of oklahoma used the drug in an execution. other states, including ohio an( well. >>> tuna fish cough off the shore

cbs news security contributor mike morel is in washington. mike good morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie. good morning, gayle. >> good morning. >> tell me what your assessment is of these strikes. >> charlie, when you see a series of strikes like this against a large number of people, what that tells me is that the united states has very specific intelligence that the guys that are being targeted on the ground pose a very specific threat against the united states, either against u.s. u.s. diplomatic facilities in the region or even the united states. so i think that's what we're looking at here a very dangerous situation. >> there's some reports that the famous al qaeda bomb maker may have been killed. >> i've heard those rumors too. we don't know for sure. if that is the case that, would be a great victory for us. he is both very evil charlie, and very talented. evil in the sense that he put a bomb into the rectum of his own brother and sent him on a suicide mission to try to kill a senior saudi official. he brother was killed. he's a