moscow to discuss that i'm now joined by danish and michael who said they had one of those bills mr hanson thank you very much for being here on the show thank you for having me now first of all let's be clear on terminology here are we talking about punishing russia teaching russia last send or simply registering the assemblies disagreement with russia's actions well i think we should have the possibility to send a strong signal to the russian government that this is you know crossed a red line for us this organization was started in forty nine on the pillows of freedom of democracies and all of that have been cast aside by the russian government in my opinion and just you know gone in militarily on another member countries ukraine in this example and then and i say that a part of the member country into their own this is of course a red line for us and definitely has to make a stand and also say to the russian government this has consequences you have the possibility of still have a dialogue with us but we have to take away your voting rights so that perhaps in my view i hope so anyway w

mr. hanson explained to me i could not issue that subpoena for mr. mack for one reason and he gave me one reason and that was his powerful political contacts. >> he answered it there and we're not showing that but what's the point of putting him in your book? >> that particular case i think was a classic example of what i'm trying to talk about. gary was referring to -- he had an investigation where he was pursuing an insider trading case against one of the most powerful figures on wall street, john mack. who was the once and future c.e.o. of morgan stanley. at the time he was in between. he would be in the future and had been in the past. he was still very powerful. gary had significant evidence that at least warranted an interview with mr. mack suggesting that he might have been the source of a tip that led to an insider trade involving a hedge fund. he wanted -- all he wanted was permission to interview mack and he was denied permission by his spoirs. when he pressed the matter he was ultimately dismissed. now he won a wrongful termination suit fo

because they actually believe it could safeguard them from even further russian aggression well mr hanson i think the crucial worth here is some people in ukraine because a substantial number of people in ukraine believe that if europe wasn't modeling in ukraine's internal affairs the. very explosive situation in the country wouldn't have been created in the first place but let me add transition to another example of nature interference in another non made to member state and this is libya it was just a couple of years ago i know that denmark was very active there you eagerly santy your aff sixteen's to the country as a stand simply for civilian protection but as far as i understand you also hold that would aid democratic progress in libya three years down the road are you satisfied with the results of that mission you know i have been to leave you. during the civil war and i met numerous persons. especially in benghazi at that time who you know came out and when they heard we were from. a part of the country who actually took part in saving them from genocide because that's what was goin