mr. snowden you are a former agent, and in the past i have something to do with intelligence. >> so we will talk between ourselves as professionals. and with the deadlock of ukraine, only getting worse, that relationship with washington is unlikely to improve. peter sharp, al jazeera, moscow.

mr. snowden will be remembered in american and global history. perhaps laura,ou how will he be recalled? >> i think we are at a in terms of how we decide to treat communications , and if we find ourselves in more orwellian universe in a decade i think everyone will look back to this moment and see that he at least gave us the option to make these choices. >> glenn? >> i think it is the most instructive example, because these are perhaps not universally but widely considered to be irrelevant. attack all bloomberg -- daniel l berg, but if you go and look at how he was talked americans, he was talked about in exactly the same terms as edward snowden. he got vindicated, and i think history appreciated the information he let us know about what the government was doing, and we realize he engaged in a heroic emma self-sacrificing act to convince the public. edward snowden already is viewed in those terms, and the next decade he will be viewed even more in those terms around the world and in the united states as well. >> i don't love the term whistleblow

mr. snowden an american patriot, in your view? >> thank you for having me and for having this event, it's great to be here with my colleagues. let me take this in stages, so in terms of coming back, i mean it's been well documented that i've, across from the border that i've been sought for several years, for things like having my notebooks copied and computers confiscated. actually i'm not worried that i'd be arrested, i was worried that they would subpoena me or take my electronics, so i don't think it's trivial, and it's real. yes i will come back for sure and right now i made the choice to stay out of the country for source protection reasons. as much as journalists, the real topic, the urgency of what we need to do is talk about the resources it takes to bring information forward. in that context, we put our lives on the line to reveal illegal government spying perhaps or spying programs that were being done in secret, and that were collecting, that could have entire countries' information. so i think he put his life on the l

mr. snowden's other advisors and supporters are all like, you cannot go to an inspector general because they are a joke. they are not. you cannot go to congress because congress is a joke. no, it is not. there are other routes to disclosure. it is worth mentioning one isson it was disclosed because there was an internal investigation and the army, which was not made up entirely of tortures and criminals. there were a lot of people within the army appalled at what went on. they were investigating himself. the idea the press is the only is not played out. >> they're different. it is one thing where it occurs, but i think most people in the system were not aware of that they would reveal crimes occurred. therefore, what is needed to bring it to an investigator, internal or in congress, i do the snowden's situation as different, where the regime expose was one the system deemed entirely legal. he cannot exactly go to congress and say, i am here to report the system of secret surveillance you authorized. he could not go to the head of his agency and say, would like to report you what you're doing

mr. snowden, who tried to go public at various times with various pieces of information. one of them was named victor marketty, one was phillip agee, one was david smith. i have that name wrong. anyway, and all -- frank. and with each of these individuals, the cia gained something in terms of its ability to preserve secrecy. in one case it gained the able to take your income by claiming that it was damaged by your disclosure. and in another case, the agency gained the ability to tie an individual to a life-long legal agreement that would prohibit them or inhibit them from revealing any information they had gained in service of the agency. and in the third case, they gained the ability to monitor exactly what any employee wrote. the combination of those things, plus it normal secrecy protection responsibility role, gave the cia this kind of fortress of secrecy. >> a gentleman in pink shirt back there. >> okay. what is it going to take to re-investigate 9/11, architects and engineers, a couple hundred fell lows have been asking for a re-investigation. building 7, fell down

mr. snowden is a former contractor for the national security agency. then passed on to his enablers an immense collection of international surveillance data by u.s. intelligence agencies. those who protected snowden while publishing the damaging documents include the guardian of britain and "the washington post." the fugitive american continues to say he has much more top secret material soon to come. mr. snowden went on the run last june, pleading his pursuers and ending up in russia where from time to time he addresses by video link various left wing organizations or humans rights groups, as they call themselves. they shower mr. snowden with prizes for personal courage. earlier this month, he received a standing ovation in a meeting in chicago by amnesty international. shortly after snowden fled his homeland, he said, quote, i do not want to live in a world where everything i do and say is recorded, that is not something i'm willing to support or live under. considering his new address, the complaint is laughable. what will this self-important young m

mr. snowden. three charges. >> that the u.s. has its way, edward snowden will be tried on charges that the send him to jail for decades. thinking any leakers think twice before coming forward. for edward snowden, it was a fate he was willing to risk. >> you are living in hawaii, in paradise, and making a ton of money, what would it take to make you leave everything behind? is. >> the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america of these is that nothing will change. so from my perspective we want to have a world where there are no problems where everybody is okay and we can say thank you. so we with have is towork together to do that, and is the at least intrusive way was meta data. if anyone has ideas how to do it better let us know. >> what price are people willing to pay for security. what can they do to the nature of society, and as promises a democracy, liberty, and privacy. while the population is less and less about what the state is doing. the state has all the power, they know everything that you do, everyt

mr. snowden, you are a former agent. we have talked between ourselves as professionals. >> reporter: putin's refusal to hand over snowden back in june, has worsened ties with the united states, and with the ukraine getting worse, that relationship is unlikely to improve. >> ukraine's government has represented putin's comments. and destabilizing parts of the country. they have arrested ten people they said were spying from moscow. the u.s. has offered to send non-lit al assistance to ukraine. jackie roland is standing by, and tell us what's going on behind you. >> well, the people here say that they're trying to set the record straight about public opinion here in donetsk. saying that they have captured attention with violent demonstrations, running around, and they say that they have presented a distorted view of what people say here. the atmosphere is calm, and nevertheless, there's a very large police presence here. all the way around the demonstration, the idea is to provide security because there have been threats by

mr. snowden that may include things that we have no business knowing.st don't know what the story is on the full picture, so i'm undecided on that. >> do you believe he is a whistleblower? >> the definition of whistleblower is your disclosing some information that the public has a right to know. my view on the aspect of it where there was this wholesale dragnet of our information, that sort of fits into that category. some of the other information guest is closed may be secrets and that could be in a different category. i'm not sure it is a one-size-fits-all with mr. snowden. >> on monday, the supreme court to client to hear the case that challenged book surveillance -- bulk surveillance that basically called bulk election almost or william. almost orwellian. >> i think it is almost orwellian. number one, getting all of our information in the hands of the governmental agency or we have no idea how it will be used, history suggest that absolute power corrupts. and we can anticipate that somewhere, sometime, some president is going to use that information

mr. snowden has been sort of an imperfect messenger from my point of view for what we need to be talking t here. but the snowden case raced questions about whether we can use technology to protect national security without destroying the the liberty which includes the the liberty which includes the right to privacy of innocent bystanders. >> mr. clinton went on to say it would be foolish not to use available technology to protect the country but it must be done in a way that keeps privacy intact. >>> if you are flying up bacon this morning, listen up. a virus that killed millions of baby pigs spread to 27 states and could cause a nationwide bacon shortage. while the virus doesn't effect humans, it may effect your next blt. so hypocrisy on capitol hill over hiring veterans. scramble politics is next. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will

mr. snowden, you are a tommer agent, in the past i have something to do with intelligence. sew with will talk between ourselves as professionals. >> putin's refuse toll to hand other snowden severely strained ties with the united states, and with the deadlock only getting worse that relationship is unlikely to improve. al jazeera, moscow. >> there is much more still ahead, including tragedies including teenagers in nigeria and south korea, you are watching al jazeera america. workers in greece delay your retirement? i'm here to make the connections to your money real. well it's official... xfinity watchathon week was the biggest week in television history. but just when you thought it was over... what now? with xfinity on demand you can always watch the latest episodes of tv's hottest shows. good news. like hannibal... chicago fire.... ...and bates motel. the day after they air. xfinity on demand. all the latest episodes. all included with your service. it's like hi-fiving your eyeballs. xfinity...the future of awesome. al jazeera america gives you the total news experience

mr. snowden has been sort of an imperfect messenger from my point of view. for what we need to be talking about here. but the snowden case has raised all these questions about whether we can use technology to protect the national security without destroying the liberty which includes the right to privacy of basically innocent bystanders. >> mr. clinton went on to say it would be foolish not to use available technology to protect the country, but it must be done in a way that keeps privacy intact. >>> and if you're frying up some bacon this morning, this is for you. a virus that has killed millions of baby pigs has spread to 27 states and could cause a nationwide bacon shortage. the virus doesn't affect humans, it may very well affect your next blt. >>> time now to get down to business this morning. the national highway transportation safety administration is fining general motors $7,000 a day for failing to respond to over one-third of its requests for information about faulty ignition switches. the fines will continue to mount until gm responds fully. >>> an

mr. snowden an american your view? having me andor for having this event, it's great to be here with my colleagues. let me take this in stages, so in terms of coming back, i mean documented that i've, across from the border i've been sought for several years, for things like having my notebooks copied and confiscated. not worried that i'd be arrested, i was worried that they would subpoena me or electronics, so i don't think it's trivial, and it's real. will come back for sure and right now i made the choice stay out of the country for source protection reasons. as journalists, the real urgency of what we need to do is talk about the resources it takes to bring forward.on in that context, we put our to revealhe line illegal government spying thatps or spying programs were being done in secret, and were collecting, that could have entire countries' information. i think he put his life on the line and i think we all owe him.t of gratitude to >> bud, are there legitimate secrets?t >> sure there are. step back for a second

mr. snowden. thank you to those who have given awards to those who have helped betray our national secrets. but i think that we need to just stop there. and say, before we get into pointing the finger and the blame culture -- how do we deal with the much more important questions, which are not the political ones but our security ones. how do we repair the damage to the system that has already been done? how do we prevent such damage from occurring in the future? how do we reorient our political debate so that it is about the things that matter to the people that we represent? and whose security we are supposed to protect? rather than the cozy internal world of beltway politics and journalism? time for us to get real. >> let's take some questions from the audience. we have one right here. we will bring a microphone to you. you have a choice of two. >> thank you so much for appearing here today and for the valid points you made. you talked about a hole in the fence. as far as i remember, edward snow

mr. snowden.basically, sounding like a bit of a mouthpiece for the russian government. >> yeah, i have to say it was a bit random. it was a very long televised press conference or call in show that the resident holds every year that the president holds every year. i have to say, some would say that is a bit of cedar because these call-in shows are usually orchestrated by the kremlin. so president putin would have known that he would be asked a question by mr. snowden and it is a convenient question because the russian president said, of course, no, we don't monitor our citizens, their phone calls, their e-mails, like the united states. we don't have the money and we have control, unlike the united states, the russian president said, over our security service. >> i am back here with the ceo of honeywell, david cote. there is concern right now about a potential trade were brewing between russia, europe, u.s.. is that something that is on your radar? >> oh, sure. none of these are good development so

mr. snowden facing serious charges, theft and espionage correct? >> that's correct, but the submission by the guardian u.s., digital operation, focused on, if you look at the entry which is on our website you'll see that the stories went far beyond leakage. and likewise with the washington post, there was quite a bit of in-depth reporting in and around the whole subject. >> all right mr. guessler, appreciate your time. >> thank you, bye-bye. >> coming up he retired from swing but michael phelps may be competing at the next summer olympics after all, we'll we'll explain. >> in jerusalem, jews made last-minute preparations for passover due to begin at sunset. in ultraorthodox neighborhoods, residents burned all remnants of food left. bubba watson has a new green jacket in his closet after taking home his second manufactures title in three years. watson beat out 20-year-old phenom at jordan spieth. he's a good one. images of the big celebration are making the rounds on social media. inez is back with that. maria. >> yes, he went to a waffle house with

mr. snowden, you are a former agent, and in the past i have something to do with intelligence. >> so we will talk between ourselves as professionals. >> putin refusal to hand over snowden back in june, severely strained ties with the united states. and with the deadlock of ukraine only getting worse, that relationship with washington is unlikely to improve. peter sharp, al jazeera, moscow. >> well, the wait for news on people missing after the south korea ferry accident is faking a toll on families. as many as 20 with five people are reported dead. and as al jazeera reports for us now, bad weather is hampering evidence to find hundreds of people perhapped in the sunken ship. >> day two of this operation, and rescue crewed were in little doubt of where the missing must be. but for all the divers just getting access to the upturned ferry, let alone located anyone inside, remains an enormous challenge. fast swirling currents poor viz didn't the depth of the points has made for slow progress. something the president expressed concern about, during an unannounced visit to the site. for other pare

mr. snowden, you are the former agent, and in the past i had something to do with intelligence. and we will talk between ourselves as professionals. >> the refusal to hand over snowden severely strained ties with the united states. and with the deadlock over ukraine, only getting worse, that relationship with washington is unlikely to improve. there is confusion tonight about what happened to 129 nigerian school girls that were kidnapped late monday. he retracted a previous statement, which had most of the girls being freed. they were taken from their school in a north eastern state, and officials there have been blamed -- have blamed that attack on boca fighters. nobel prize winning writer, gabriel marquez died. he died at his home in mexico city. throughout his life he wore many hats a play wright, a screen writer. we take a look back at his life. >> the columbian novelist, credited with introducing the world of magic realism began his career a a journalist. his novels were based on real life experiences which he insisted were far more bizarre than anything he could event. 100

mr. snowden you are a former agent, and in the past i have something to do with intelligence. >> so we willalk between ourselves as professionals. and with the deadlock of ukraine, only getting worse, that relationship with washington is unlikely to improve. peter sharp, al jazeera, moscow. >> after the south korea ferry accident is taking a toll on the families. [crying]. >> as many as 25 people are now confirmed dead, just moments ago, president obama offered his support to the families and workers trying to find survivors bad weather is hampering efforts to find people trapped inside the sunken ship. for all the divers just getting access, let alone locating anyone inside, remains an enormous challenge. faster swirling currents poor visibility and the depth of the points has made for slow progress. something the president expressed concern about during an unannounced visit to the site. one woman tells officials they say there have been too few dives that time is running out for their children. frustration fueled by unverified reports of text messages and facebook posts coming from inside

mr. snowden in the newspapers that covers the classified information. >> good morning. welcome to the american enterprise institute. we are pleased to welcome dr. liam fox, a member of the british parliament. he was the shadow foreign secretary, shadow defense secretary, and then when cameron came into power, became the actual defense secretary. he was the champion of a robust national defense and a champion of the american men and women intelligence services. that is what we're here to talk about today, one of the most damaging leaks in the history of american and british intelligence. dr. fox had a fantastic piece yesterday in which he declared edward snowden thinks of himself as a girl a warrior, but in reality he is a narcissist. he did not expose anything illegal, did not attempt to limit any damage. that us call treason by its -- let us call treason by its name. we are pleased to welcome you this morning. >> thank you. glad to be back. >> the former head of dchq, called the snowden leaks the tot catastrophic loss british intelligence ever. what is your assessment

mr. snowden will be remembered in america . something different. how will you be recalled? >> i think in terms of how we decide to treat privacy. he will have created a sort of point. if we find ourselves in an orwellian universe in a decade that think that everyone will look back at snowden and see that he at least give us the option to make these choices. >> plan. >> i think the most instructive example. you know, in modern times it's widely considered to be heroic. point out he is the defender of edward snowden. try and distinguish the two. but if you don't look at how he was talked about in '71 and '72 and through that decade and government and the media, even talk about it exactly in terms of edward snowden. over time he was vindicated. still appreciated, the information that he let us know about. all of that sort of died away and we realized that he engaged in credibly heroic and sell sacrificing act that he did not need to do for the public good. unconvinced that edward snowden around the world is viewed in those terms and over the next decade even more so around the

mr. snowden. useful idiots, he said. idealists, so-called, who serve the interests of lenin's country. eed to listen to snowden anymore giving us lectures about the virtues of an open society when he chooses to go to putin's russia. about the pulitzer prize. in 1972 the "new york times" won the pulitzer prize for the publication of the pentagon papers. the question occurs what work did they do? maybe the award should have gone to daniel elsburg who leaked them. did the paper do more than receive and publish? now, the post -- washington post and the "new york times" did go to court and did establish an important principal will prior restraint that is now part of our constitutional law. still, the question is, i think, in the normal reader's mind, what journalistic effort went into this, what journalistic initiative. this is leaving aside whether the nsa should be doing what it's doing, leaving aside whether people actually are going to get killed because of what snowden leaked when no one was killed because of the pentagon papers. they were just an embarrassment. >> but i want to pick up

mr. snowden's revelations. >> i think it's important to break it down into parts. m still going to call them snowden's revelations. there is a series of things that have been revealed about the nature of how we have interpreted the authorities, the manner in which we have overseen those authorities, generally the kind of collection activities that take place. as i said earlier i would wish that we had found a way to get those discussions into the public. it's true that the mechanisms that were set up by the congress in the open didn't know about the use and i would quarrel with the assertion it's just that they wish they had come to different answers than they did but there are a whole other series that go into specific activities about the targets that we collect and stories that haven't distinguishe distinguisl between what we have the capability to do and what we are legally authorized to do and accurately do. i know that glenn greenwald ridiculed us and we have seen the people that we very much want to attract are taking note of these but there is no question as

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is clearly proven intermezzo alliance scandal including david miliband as a fair considered by mr snowden for whom russia has provided as xylem from the us where he could have faced serious criminal consequences. maybe life imprisonment or death penalty it's again a typical application of double standards which frequently can be experienced here not only in the council of europe but in international organizations like european union let's bring down the custom and let us apply legal. prescriptions and. i'm and i personally going to miss and there is a culture just. like you to ask the question you have been taken away from the work in the last part session yeah i do not want that to happen again we are expecting some reaction from the hall of entry assembly for the council of europe here in stroudsburg towards russia regarding the ongoing situation in ukraine however we have seen very much a change in the attitudes and what we can potentially expect coming out of the building just behind me initially it had been thought russia could be expelled from the pace that was a motion what forward

mr. snowden defended that decision in an op-ed in the "guardian" snowden wrote, yesterday was tend sbendedor an infamous exchange and to invite an important concession or a clear evasion. snowden made no mention of putin's human rights abuses, systemic targeting and intimidation of journalists and recent invasion of a sovereign country, but perhaps that's all for next year's call-in show. >>> ahead, clive bundy has become a folk hero for conservative activists who don't like big government or apparently the rule of law. is he the beginning of a movement? ng the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. sfuel reward card is really what makes it like two deals in one. salesperson #2: actually, getting a great car with 42 highway miles per gallon makes it like two

mr. snowden disclosed. are created equal should all disclosures go unpunished by the government. press responses you can trust us. and the government sits back, that is nice. who elected you? why should we get to make these decisions? >> part of the answer is someone has to play a checking role on the government. with are legitimate seat the government needs to keep and it have to have the tools to keep those. a gray area. the government can keep everything secret, as a society, we will wither and die. that is not living in an open society, a society where citizens can make judgments knowing where the government is. i would suggest what the first amendment says is, we protect the press. it wrong, perhaps there are cases where they could be prosecuted. for the most part, they have the rights to disclose information that is true and news worthy and important for the public to hear. have very clearly defined boundaries. we are dealing with a law that was written in world war i that just talks about protecting national security and ministers. one of the ones that create all of this t

mr. snowden, you're a former agent, a spy.ur intelligence efforts are strictly regulated by our law so how special forces can use this kind of special equipment as they intercept phone calls or follow someone online and you have to get a court permission to stalk that particular person. we don't have a mass system of such interception and according to our law it cannot exist. our special services thank good are strictly controlled by the society and the law and regulated by the law. what's going on here? >> well, that was obviously a pr stunt and every moment that he can stick a finger in the eye of the united states i think he takes it. but to go back to where the white house believes they are here, they're desperately just trying to get to a containment strategy of not just containing putin -- >> isolating putin. >> and isolating putin but also just sort of containing this issue because there is this fear, as you know, he doesn't want this to become the rest of his presidency. you know, but in many ways he is being tested he

mr. snowden, you are a former agent. i used to be part of the secret services, so let us speak professionally. rather remarkable run-up from the former kgb man, vladimir putin to the former, briefly cia and then nsa man, edward snowden. >> well, a remarkable, extraordinary exchange. first, i think we have come to the point, andrea, where we just can't rely on what president putin says. he has said so many things that are at variance with the root on crimea, first, now on ukraine, now in this press conference today from moscow. we have got to watch what he does and can't listen to what he says because it's preposterous what he said this morning, that somehow, russia doesn't have an active security operation. we have seen the russian federation very aggressively try to destabilize the government of ukraine in eastern ukraine. and remarkable to see snowden there. the fact that he's still in russia and the fact that he has done so much damage to the united states. >> and it's no accident that this happened just as he knew th

mr. snowden. thank you to those who have given awards to those who have helped betray our national secrets. but i think that we need to just stop there. and say, before we get into pointing the finger and the blame culture -- how do we deal with the much more important questions, which are not lyrical ones, but our security ones. how do we repair the damage to the system that has already been done? how do we prevent such damage from occurring in the future? how do we reorient take our political debate so that it is about the things that matter to the people that we represent? and whose security we are supposed to protect? rather than the cozy internal world of beltway politics and journalism? time for us to get real. >> let's take some questions from the audience. we have one right here. we will bring a microphone to you. >> thank you so much for appearing here today and for the valid points you made. you talked about a hole in the fence. i'm trying to remember, edward snowden before he fled was n

mr snowden you. are a former agent spy i used to be working for an intelligence service we're going to talk one professional language first of all. our intelligence efforts are strictly regulated. by our law so how special forces can use this kind of special equipment as they intercept. phone calls or. follow someone and you have to get. permission to stalk particular person we don't have a mass. of interception cording to our law. it cannot exist. of course we know that criminals and terrorists use. technology. for their criminal acts and of course special services have to. use. the technical. means to respond to their crimes and of including those of terrorist nature of course we do some efforts like that but we do not have a mass scale. uncontrollable. efforts like that i hope we won't do that and we don't have as much money as they have in the states and we don't have these technical devices that they have in the states our special services control them. strictly controlled by the society and by

mr. snowden? do you and reporters at the guardian consult with one another on what you have elected to divulge? >> i do not fear for my personal safety. i worry a lot -- i have good evidence that there are actors, unknown, who are trying to get into my materials digitally stop i cannot feel my entire life off of the internet. if you put something online, people can get into it. i do not put secret stuff there. i got a warning from google that a hacker was attempting to compromise my peter and account. google helpfully will not tell you who. they will not tell you what you can do about it. i have had a number of other fairly specific indicators that people are coming after my stop. that is different from physical security. you can say you told me so. i am not worried about that. what should happen to snowden -- i am the last person you should ask. i have a relationship with them as my reporter's source. there are a lot more people with interesting things to say and what i have to say about that. no

mr. snowden have not changed. >> you walked in both places. >> i think i will refrain from commenting on each individual award. they are prestigious awards. theiew in general is that best of those awards go to break new ground through the shoe leather reporting of the past. who develops sources to find information. who devote hours and days and weeks and months to get a story right. year you seeafter the pulitzers and other similar awards that meet those standards. >> with the white house support casting to be alias -- sebelius? >> we don't speculate on candidacies that are only speculated about. i would wait to see who is going to run in any individual race. the president spoke very clearly the other day about secretary sibelius and a dedication she showed through a remarkable period of change that she helped bring about. she has been in the hotspot for a long time, not just because of the healthcare.gov challenges, but through the development of the legislation, the incredibly period when that legislation was passed and through its implementation. the president truly appreciates your s

mr. snowden an american patriot in your view? >> thank you for having me. it is great to be here with all of my colleagues. in terms of coming back, the border for several years having my notebooks copied and computers complicated. i'm not worried about it. i don't think that contributes real. yet i will come back for sure. i have made the choice to get out of the country. i do hope that today we can spend some time because i themed the real topic of the real urgency of what we need to do is talk about the good sources to bring information flow word. in that context, to reveal to people and programs being done in secret and were collecting, you know, entire countries. i think we all out of debt of gratitude. >> are there legitimate government secrets? >> sure, there are. the legal admiring a significant that director clapper used the word that the inspector general of united state and reference to reporters and arbiters that had criminal law implication. so we've had the legal framework in the alien sedition act and the espionage act years ago with which a

mr. snowden an american patriot? >> thank you for having me at this event. it is great to be here. in terms of coming back, it has i'vewell documented that been stopped for several years while crossing the border. computers have been confiscated. my main concern is different. i'm not worried about being arrested, i am worried it would subpoena me. i think it is real. yes, i am going to come back for sure. i do hope that we can talk about protecting freedom rights because what we -- the real topic with a real urgency of what we need to do is talk about the sources. he put his right on the line to reveal what were illegal fighting programs that were be done. they were collecting entire countries information so we put his life on the line so we feels ingratitude towards them. >> are there legitimate government secrets? >> sure, there are. if i could just backtrack for one second and talk about the legal environment. directornificant that clapper use the word a compost is. -- accomplices. the inspector general use the word agent. frameworkd the legal because of the espionage act of 97

mr. snowden how we are doing it. it's ever going to be difficult and that is the biggest challenge we have is because of the loss of that important technology. >> what does the future of the intelligence community look like in light of the recent communications and the recent criticism from congress lacks well it doesn't look good, doesn't? they are claiming the cia has been monitoring and i fear what would happen if we don't allow that. i don't belief for a minute that they were tapping the congressional committees telephones. i don't believe that. so all i can do is give you that opinion. but i know -- i don't think they would ever consider that. they might want to do it but they wouldn't dare. it's going to affect the agency and the cia. the criticism of the congress is never -- it is not a good idea, and it causes heartburn everywhere. because of edward snowden, they believe that the intelligence community would revert back to the way that it was before 9/11. not at all. i don't think so because if it reverts bac