we're going to excuse you now and say that if there are questions related to the attorney general, the record intobe open, and we us respondent 30 days. inspectoro go to the general now. senator shelby. >> ms. chair, have several questions for the attorney general. the senators right will be protected, as are others. we are really doing 60 hearings in six weeks, so there are many who wanted to come that couldn't. it will be additional questions. thank you very much, mr. attorney general. we now call upon the inspector general, echo horowitz -- rowitz. horwi senators shelby and i are vigorous supporters of the inspector general system. we look forward to your testimony and your advocacy here. please proceed, sir. >> thank you, madam chairwoman and ranking member shelby, members of the subcommittee. thank you for inviting me to testify today and for your continued strong support of our work. it'll be hard for me to overstate the importance of having an appropriated budget fiscal year that we can plan around and that will enable us to rebuild our staff, which shrunk by nearly 10% over the

as many controversial issues related to executive overreach with actions of by the administration in general, the attorneyeneral and particular, many people around the country and committee thing it is beyond the scope of what the attorney general is entitled to do in his sworn responsibility uphold the laws. those were bound to occur. important in the representative democracy that we have. need to be accountable to the american people. the best places for their representatives to be able to ask very sharp and pointed questions about the issues before the congress and the conduct of the government by this administration of which the attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer. >> i wanted to change gears and talk about a mitigation -- immigration for a moment. the bills have been waiting for action on the house for for some time. i am wondering what you take away from the fact that these bills have not been brought up? are they making a political call that you disagree with? >> no. we have taken a step-by-step approach to immigration reform. i have been very straightforward about this. we do not

ultimately in each instance the attorney general or the deputy attorney general provided deal ig with permission to receive the materials and made clear there will continue to do so as necessary going forward terry however, requiring inspector general's to request and receive permission from department in order to review critical documents impairs our independence and can the lay of our work unnecessarily. stated simply, the inspector general act and the inspector general should be given prompt access to all relevant documents within the position of the agency. let me turn briefly to an issue finally that was discussed during my testimony last june. unlike inspectors general throughout the federal government our office does not have the authority to investigate alleged must come to the misconduct. in those instances inspector general has exclusive authority to the department's office of professional responsibility. my office has long questioned the distinction between the treatment of agents to engage an alleged misconduct and those of department attorneys barry last month a report wa

in the fails of unprecedented, unwarranted ugly and divisive adversity you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee. had nothing to do with me. forget that what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? [ applause ] >> what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? was attorney general eric holder treated poorly? let's take a look. >> i realize that contempt is not a big deal to our attorney general, but it is important that we have proper oversight. >> buddy, you don't want to go there, okay? >> i don't want to go there? >> no. >> i don't need lectures from you about contempt -- >> -- and i don't need lectures from you either. >> joining us our political panel abc news political director rick klein, washington examiner chief byron york. byron, was the attorney general poorly treated yesterday? >> well, i thought that representative gom merit was kind of snarky with him, there is no doubt about that he sounded kind of threatening when he said you don't want to go there, buddy. extraordinary ex

you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday,. >> yes. >> by ase committee, had nothing to do with me. forget that what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> that's right. what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment. >> mr. holder heavily implying the house judiciary committee is giving him a hard time because of his skin color. >> today on "fox & friends," i said this. >> it's another grievance situation now. i'm not going to put words in the attorney general's mouth that he is saying that it's because is he black. but, certainly where the venue is, and he is speaking to primarily african-americans you could take that inference. but it's so hollow. i mean, come on. you didn't find out what happened in benghazi. you didn't find out what happened with fast and furious. you didn't find out what happened with the irs. years go by. he should have been fired a long time ago. i don't know what -- i don't care what color he is. do you think that the house committee called him in and say let's get the b

the u.s. attorney general. here's what attorney general holder said this week at the convention of my civil rights group, the national action network. >> the last five years having deion fined by significant strides and by lasting reforms, even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. . if you don't believe that, you look at the way -- forget about me, forget about me. you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee. have nothing to do with me. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> the answer, of course, is that no president or attorney general has been treated this way. and today, the right wing media is proving the point. one site accused the attorney general of, quote, playing the race card. fox news accused him of playing the victim and whining about how he's treated. and that was just the start. >> he i

the f.d.a.'s whistle-blower montana attorney general captured personal email account passwords. it also captured attorney-client communications and confidential communications to congress and the office of special counsel. some of these communications are legally protected. if an agency captures such communications as a result of monitoring, it needs to think about how to handle them very differently. otherwise, it would be the ideal tool to identity and retaliate against whistle-blowers. so without precautions, that kind of monitoring could effectively shut down legitimate whistle-blower communications and it wouldn't surprise me considering the culture of some of these agencies we have. that's exactly like what they want to do, because there is a great deal of peer pressure to go along to get along within these agencies, and whistle-blowers, like i said, are kind of like a skunk at a picnic. there could be safeguards, however. for example, whistle-blower communications could be segregated from other communications. access could be limited to only certain personnel rather than a

the attorney general of the united states has to personally certify and approve that. skeptical that there are 41 ago subpoenas issued and the justice department is somehow not capturing that. aside, i know the justice department takes it seriously. we are a big fan of the internal rule that the justice department has and in terms of the political accountability point, the current draft of the shield you'll actually build a minute says the attorney general has to certify that the rules have been complied with for that political accountability point to try to maintain the discipline that has grown up over the years within the department on that point. enhanced with the new guidelines it just recently came out. theoes address a couple of main things that have people riled up over the last year, the use of the carveout with the rosen situation and also the notice issue that was front and center after the ap situation. it expressly addresses both of those concerns. to just apply to telephone records and now it is broader.r -- i do find a director of national intelligence p

but today when the attorney general testified at a house hearing, republicans did it again, and the attorneyh it. >> i read you what your department promised, and it is inadequa inadequate. and i realize that contempt is not a big deal to our attorney general, but it is important that we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there, buddy. you don't want to go there, okay? >> i don't want to go there. >> no. >> about the contempt. >> you should not assume that that is not a big deal to me. i think that it was inappropriate. i think it was unjust, but never think that was not a big deal to me. don't ever think that. >> in american history, congress had never held the head of the justice department in contempt. of course, the gop's reckless action was a big deal, but the bigger deal is the endless republican search for a scandal, any scandal that can damage this attorney general and this president. joaning me now is susan milligan and joe madison. thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you very much. >> what do you make of these -- the tone, the gop lawmakers use towards the attorn

you look at the way the the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday. with that kind of treatment? [ applause ] >> what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> the attorney general was referring to a testy exchange with texas republican congressman louis gohmert the day before at a house hearing. take a look. >> i think what we promised to do was provide you and your staff with -- >> sir, i've read you which your department promised and it is inadequate and i realize that contempt is not a big deal to our attorney general, but it is important that we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there, okay? >> i don't want to go there? >> no. about the contempt? >> you should not assume that that is not a big deal to me. i think that it was inappropriate and it was unjust, but never think that that was not a big deal to me. don't ever think that. this was all about the gun lobby and a desire to have -- >> sir. we've been trying to get to the bottom of fast and furious where people died, where at least a couple hundred mexicans d

thank you. 2009, general holder was sworn in as the 82nd attorney general of the united states. general holder has enjoyed a long career in both public and private sectors. first joining the department of justice or the attorney general on her program in 1976, he became one of the department's first attorneys to serve in the newly-form public integrity section. he went on to surge as a -- to serve as a judge in the superior court of the district of columbia. 1997, he was named by president clinton to be the general.torney prior to that, he was a litigation partner at covington and berlin llc in washington dc. he is a graduate of columbia university and columbia law school. general holder, we appreciate your presence and look forward to your testimony. >> thank you. conyers and the rest of the committee, i am here to speak on behalf of my hard-working colleagues about our continued commitment to the cause of justice and emissions that we share, securing our nation and protecting the american people. this is and always will be our top priority. over the past year, the department ha

determination as to whether the view that the attorney general, the deputy attorney general was taking was correct. the decision was made by the inspector general not to have that olc opinion done. we have copies of the letter that i will be more than glad to make available to the committee that shows that what we have done is consistent with the law and also consistent with the important responsibilities that the inspector general has. >> but we want to make sure the inspector general can do his job, even in the justice department. >> senator schober, why don't we then continue this with the inspector general? >given the fact there is an 11:0 vote, we want to make sure members have time to answer their questions. not to stifle. this is really crucial, and we knowledge the central nature of this conversation. and we hope to be able to squeeze in the inspector general. senator collins? [coughing] mr. attorney general, i mentioned in my opening remarks that the department of justice, along with the department of homeland security, place a critical role in reviewing claims for asylum. i b

you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday. >> yes. >> by a ittee. had nothing to do with me. forget that what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? [applause] what president has ever had to to deal with that kind of treatment? >> and today our own chad pergram asking speaker boehner about the inflammatory comments. >> there is no issue of race here. the frustration is that the american people have not been told the truth about what happened at the irs. the american people have not been told the truth about what happened to fast and furious. the administration has not told the american people the truth about benghazi. and we have been going through all of these hearings, having to hold people in contempt because they have made it impossible to get to the documents they have not been forth coming he they owe the american people the truth. >> karl rove joins us, nice to see you, karl. >> great to see u greta. >> race is always a very touchy issue. in this country because we have a very sort of tortured history on it.

we should hold the attorney general accountable before the congress. articles, that's a bunch of nonsense at this point. >> jimmy, ron wrote this week that wednesday night the attorney general was saying that the republicans are racist and any criticism of the president is grounded in racism. can you see how republicans can get that perception? >> look, i don't -- you can't get into the heart or the mind of someone like louie gomert and know emphatically whether or not this guy is being a racist. he hasn't made racial comments about eric holder, but he did treat him with complete disdain and disrespect. that is unbecoming of a member of congress. you can have disagreements, you're allowed to disagreements. but when you treat people poorly, i hate to break the news, but if you treat someone badly, they're not going to respond to you and not treat you back well. it's fourth grade politics, treat others as you want to be treated. if louie gomert continues to do this and republicans continue to do this against holder and sebelius, they should get nothing ba

why is the attorney general implying race is the issue? greg breaks down holder's heated remarks, that's next on "the five." stay with us. >>> attorney general eric holder called his recent treatment by a house committee ugly and divisive. behold -- >> you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee, what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> so what ruffled his delightful mustache? this. >> it is important that we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there, okay? >> i don't want to go there? >> no. >> about the contempt? >> you should not assume that that is not a big deal to me. >> we can't get the information to get to the bottom of that so i don't need lectures from you about contempt. >> and i don't need lectures from you either. >> men, men, men. my word, kind of reminds me of this. >> senator, we can have this discussion in any way that you would like, but i really hope th

thank you very much. >> we hope the attorney general will respond. the chair recognizes the german from ohio for five minutes. >> thank you. thank you, mr. attorney general. on july 25, 2013, 15 members of this committee wrote you to inquire whether the department of justice was consulted regarding the constitutionality of the administration's decision to delay the employer mandate. and if so, what the department's position was regarding its constitutionality. has notmittee still received a satisfactory response. you stated publicly on the record to senator michael lee of utah at a senate judiciary committee hearing held on about two, 2014, months ago, that the justice department had indeed divided such a legal analysis. now that same hearing, you speculated publicly about what contained inas that legal analysis. since you have previously speculated publicly on these issues and since you have had time since that meeting back on january 29, 2014, the senate hearing, to refresh her memory, regarding the specific nature of that legal analysis, could you

look at the way the attorney general, speaking of himself in the third person, was treated yesterday by a house committee. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment are not so what is your reaction to the attorney general's complaint? >> the democrats really wanted to get roberto gonzalez when he was there with bush. they wanted him to be part of this. you are the american people's lawyer, not the president's lawyer. your duty is to the american people. if the president you need legal help, go to the white house counsel. to be accountable to the people and accountable to the law's be unaccountable to law. the fact is that this attorney general has been held in contempt civilly and criminally and nothing has happened or did a referral from the congress to the attorney general in the matter of lois lerner of the irs. what do you think will be the result two. >> unfortunately, i don't think anything will happen the criminal referral or the contempt proceedings are underway in the house. this attorney general has proved that he has nothing but contempt for con

he has had to go before the attorney general and say are we okay on this and the attorney general hasbelievable stretch on things such as prosecutorial discretion which is good to have in the law. there are hard cases where you say that case doesn't deserve full enforcement. but when you take an entire class of people and say we are going to apply prosecutorial discretion to all of them, that to me is a serious abuse of the separation of powers in our constitution. it's the congress that writes the law, it's the president's duty to carry them out. if he doesn't like a particular law he needs to carry it out nonetheless. and if that's unpop already with the public they will put pressure on the congress to change a law they think is needing to be changed. but the congress needs to do it, not the president. martha: a lot of questions about the process. we'll be watching. thank you so much for coming here first, congressman. good to talk to you this morning. we'll see what happens at the top of the hour. bill: 22 minutes away from starting. the ncaa tournament came to a close. it ended wi

does the governor and the attorney general have? ofthe of the attorney -- the authority to determine the policies of state government agencies for marriage. whether those agencies will recognize marriage or not. int is become a big issue light of the absence of the stay inn in this case where there has been a number of couples who have been married and it is under their authority to decide how the agencies of the state are going to treat those marriages. >> do they have the authority -- the two allegations here, one, there may be more. plantiffs are being denied the right to be married. one marriage exist and they wanted recognized as a marriage. what direct role does the governor and the attorney general had in doing either one of those things? marriage licenses or recognizing marriages that have been established? >> they set the policy for the agencies of the state government with respect to marriages that are undertaken outside of the state. people will go to the state agencies. the state taxing and revenue authority, for example.

general of the united states. mr. attorney general, yesterday the chair and i sent you a letter on this matter. we expected you will move swiftly to address our questions and resolve this controversy. an independent office of inspector general, they can truly -- that can truly carry out its oversight responsibilities, i'm concerned --t the honesty integrity and integrity of the whole department can be called into question. that none ofing us want. i'm looking forward to the remarks from the inspector general. >> thank you very much. first of all, i want to welcome the attorney general to the subcommittee today, which has such great leadership on both sides of the aisle. i'm going to be directing my questions to you today on several topics. one has to do with our broken asylum granting system, which the department of justice has jurisdiction with the department of homeland security. another is the testing of the boundaries of the executive power by this administration, in particular the aggressive position the administration has taken

don't ever think that. >> you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterdayhouse committee. had nothing to do with me. forget that. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> attorney general eric holder complaining about treatment of him and also the president after another testy exchange with house republicans on capitol hill. he clearly implied it's about race. do you think he is right rite? >> it's false that no attorney general or president had been subjected this kind of treatment. after all, bill clinton was impeached. think about that for a moment. john mitchell went to jail. i mean, the list is long of attorneys general and other officials who have been subjected to some very rough treatment on capitol hill and elsewhere, and this strikes me as kind of cry baby stuff from holder. my sense about this is that both eric holder and barack obama have benefitted politically enormously from the fact that they are african-american and the first to hold the jobs that they hold. gron he specifically meant race or not. i suspect

. >>> in 1961, the attorney general of the united states of course was bobby kennedy. october 1961, attorney general bobby kennedy gave a speech in chicago, illinois, where he told the remarkable but tragic tale of a parrot smuggler. and it was not the lead-up to a joke that involved a rabbi in a bar, it was actually a parrot smuggler. according to the transcript, he told the crowd about the case of an american man who had been convicted of planning to smuggle parrots into the united states from mexico. the attorney general said the parrot-smuggling man was a lawyer. he was a combat-wounded veteran of world war ii and he had never been in trouble before. the attorney general said he had a quote, loyal and honest family but for whatever reason the judge in the case really had it in for the parrot smuggler. attorney general robert kennedy said in that speech that the judge in the case thought that the parrot-smuggling lawyer was rude, rude and arrogant. he didn't like his attitude. and so the judge sentenced him to 11 years. 11 years in federal prison for the crime of co

the doj. here we have an attorney general that does not enforce the law criminal behavior. i will tell you what, you have a lot of members inside this congress that used to be district of attorneys, they would prosecute in this process. the law is the law and you need to enforce it. >> all right. if there is a criminal referral tomorrow from ways and means to the justice department to attorney general eric holder, do you expect that he will open an investigation, convene a grand jury to see if or if she did not violate the law? >> well, people have to understand what this is. ways and means, because article one section 7 says all taxes start in the house. ways and means has the ability, especially when it comes to the irs to do their own investigation. this is like the intel committee when it comes to the irs. they have information where she will be up on three different counts when you look at it they will vote on that tomorrow. that is evidence that i have not seen but the public will be able to see after they vote and that passes. i expect the attorney general -- remember

don't ever think that. >> you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterdaya house committee, had nothing to do with me. forget that. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> attorney general eric holder complaining about treatment of him and also the president after another testy exchange with house republicans on capitol hill. and we're back now with the panel. attorney general holder said the obama administration has faced, his words, "unprecedented, ugly opposition" and speaking to al sharpt sharpton's national election network, he said it's because of race. >> it's false that no attorney general, no president have been subjected to this kind of treatment. after all, bill clinton was impeached. think about that for a moment. john mitchell went to jail. the list is long of attorney generals and other officials that have been subjected to rough treatment on capitol hill and elsewhere. this strikes me as crybaby stuff. my sense is that both eric holder and barack obama have benefited enormously from the fact that they are af

the nonrecognition clause? what authority beyond being general law enforcement officers of utah does the governor and the attorneyneral have? >> they have the authority to determine the policies, for example, of state government agencies toward marriage, whether those agencies will recognize marriages or not. and, of course, that's become a big issue in light of the absence of a stay in this case, that there were a number of couples that were married and then it's under the governor's and the attorney general's authority to decide how the agencies of the state are going to treat those marriages. >> but can they stop, do they have the authority -- i mean, the two allegations are here are, one -- or there may be more, but the two principal ones are, one, the plaintiffs want to be married and are being denied the right to be married, two, one marriage exists, and they want it recognized as a marriage. what direct role does the governor or the attorney general have in doing either one of those things? issuing marriage licenses or recognizing foreign marriages that have been established? >> they set the policy for the

>> sure, the attorney general's announcement today follows an announcement by the deputy attorney general back in february who said that they were seeking increased commutations for people serving very long sentences for low level crime with good prison time, it will be a very highly screened scrutinized process to select the right number of people. unfortunately n our federal system there are hundreds if not thousands of people who actually fit that criteria. and so there is no shortage but it is a very select group of people that the attorney general is targeting for commutation recommendation. >> brown: bill mccollum what concerns you, i guess, as you look at those numbers. because they do use-- they do talk about using-- looking at people for nonviolent crimes. >> well, nonviolent can include a drug trafficker who is not used a gun or a knife or anything. if you are a drug smuggler and you are shipping large gaunts-- quantities, a kilo of heroin, 5 kilos of cocaine, some huge quantities and those are huge quantities of the drugs in the united states and distributing them, then you may

who is the attorney general? eric holder. he's the one. of course. >> lou's talking about will she be held in criminal contempt. you know how that works. it goes through the house committee and the house and then where does it go? the attorney general. >> that's why i'm talking about referring the criminal prosecution to the justice department and the fact is we now know that the head of the irs, the general council and their top officials have lied throughout trying to assert the idea that this was just, you know, they were also targeting liberal groups. we now learn from whistle blowers and other sources they didn't target a singe liberal group. mercedes, at some point is there not an accountability for public servant who lied to congress and the american people. >> oh, absolutely. but if eric holder is going to be the with unwho determines if lois lerner is held in criminal contempt and is charged, it's all up to him. what do they do? use the powers of the vote. that's the only power that u.s. citizens th s that they have. >> the sorriy

you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee, had nothing to do with me. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> what president has had to ever deal with that kind of treatment? >> joe walsh is the editor at large with salon. joan, i have to tell you, what i'm thinking about here is when you listen to these guys, people like louie gohmert and people like farenthhold, they're a bunch of birthers who don't even believe obama was born in this country, they're now going at it with cruz, a little more intellectual version of this same message. we don't need a government, we don't need an irs, we don't need a federal reserve. is this seven days in may? are they attacking the constitutionality of government. what do they say when they say we're not going to collect any more taxes or have a justice department? we're not going to have anything. they don't like alcohol, tobacco and firearms. is this just ruby ridge talk? or is this some new level of play, which is we're going to bring back not just barac

you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committeenothing to do with me. forget that. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> welcome back to "the ed show." for anyone living in reality, those comments by attorney general eric holder pretty straight forward. this administration has faced unprecedented obstruction, unprecedented levels of disrespect. the folks across the street don't live in reality. in their world, if you discuss any of this, you're race-baiting. >> strikes me as stuff from holder, my sense about this is that both eric holder and barack obama have benefited politically enormously from the fact that they are african-american and the first to hold the jobs that they hold. to those two men, race has been both a shield and a sword that they have used effectively to defend themselves and to attack others. and i think is depressing at this stage in our national life after all we've been through on this issuing and given the o

you heard it from the attorney -- >> i think he'll be the next governor. >> i'm sorry, the attorney general>> abbott, sorry about that. juan, i would think this is something you and i agree on. the issue maybe in the case of bundy, he owes some grazing rights, his cattle ate government grass. okay. do you surround his ranch with the 200 agents, snipers, dogs? does that bother you? >> yeah, i think it's over reaction, sean. we agree on that point. i think he was clearly breaking the law. i think it clearly was government land. >> there is a better way to handle it, right? >> i agree with you on that point. i also don't like the fact that then it became a magnet for people who thought it's world war iii -- >> people tazered, dogs and snipers surrounding his ranch. i mean, over grazing fees. it seems -- look, if every american that owes the government money, including irs that got bonuses that didn't pay their taxes, there would be a lot of agents out there surrounding a lot of peoples' property. >> it's a matter of somebody breaking the law in a city or anywhere, i think it should be applied

and fall of the attorney general's are looking at this as well. l four of these goals are being investigated, among others, by the kentucky attorney general right now. i think the kentucky attorney general is joining us right now from kentucky. jack conway. a group of 32 attorney general's investigating joining us from louisville, kentucky. thank you for joining us. what is the worst abuse or worse concern about the schools? taking this for issue up. one in my opinion that has been underreported. you really hit the nail on the head of regarding some of the schools. the thing that is most concerning to me by the amount of the tax dollars going to the schools. over 30 billion per year. at anotheryou look traditional school, most of the money will go to education or not for-profit purpose. you look at the for-profit college model, another 20% going to profit for the schools, you are leaving at the 5-60 cents on the dollar to try to stretch for an education thaoften times the credit do not transfer in students are left with that they cannot discharge i

critics say the attorney general caved to pressure. and the attorney's failure to show up did not stop the protesters. >> if you are listening, we in oklahoma love god, guns, and freedom. >> i think he has broken his oath of office to defend the u.s. con discussion. i think he should be impeached. >> guess what, mr. holder, we don't want you here in oklahoma so stay out. >> joining us our political panel the "the washington post" wes lowery, "the washington examiner" susan ferrechio and the hill's justin cink. what do you think? >> it's interesting. suddenly some secret national security meeting came up for eric holder and we could take him at his word, but we know this isn't the first sort of cancellation or change of schedule. just even for the white house this week saw michelle obama facing protests in kansas. she pushed back her appearance at a graduation ceremony. so you see both the administration kind of struggling when they go out in the heartland and try to make kind of political appearances. but also them recognizing that and

the attorney general of the affected region of the current system and indeed been ministered to many of his colleagues ran ads in which they expect confidence in him but some are also pointed to the fact that mr cheshire police became aware of mark and karen and pleasure last monday. although with the department received is on the tenth of march. yes that is what is surprising. but i think that such would be one of the issues of peace to be addressed by commission of investigation. i was told and find that unusual. my own experience. there were other questions for all based on the back of reports state that the attorney general issued an instruction to the cuddy not to destroy the tapes did this month the minister for transport today expressed concerns about this. also when mark and karen who doesn't want the justice minister last november about the recording what those like me the commissioner did know that these recordings are being made. as far back as november. rather than for minister for justice at the time to shut the door. he set up an internal position within the guide. and

judiciary committee after what was a very tense hearing. >> you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee. had nothing to do with me. forget that what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment. >> one of the most heated exchanges this week on the hill involved mr. holder and gop congressman gomert who joins us now on the phone live from texas. we are having some technical difficulties, but congressman, thank you for your time today. >> sure. i've been told i have a face for radio. so this may work out better. the story right before that leads into this because when you have somebody stand up and say we need oversight when he knows good and well that what this administration is doing is anything but allowing oversight. you know, shannon, the documents i've been asking for three years in writing and orally they've provided to people convicted of supporting terrorism in dallas texas affirmed by this circuit. in new orleans they said care -- certainly plenty evidence to support they are comply sit and they