locations where they had -- a lot of the places where they were located on the spectrum were in the uhf or fm spectrum so that wasn't a very popular -- people didn't have that kind of sets until the 1960s. he really began to have public radio become starting in the late 1960s after the creation of the public broadcasting and you had a claw stuck into a funding bill for public television that became a mechanism for a "national public radio" network. so that began to take off starting in the late 1960s and early 1970s. there was the mpr bankruptcy in 1978 or 79 or 80 but it became well institutionalized after that point. >> host: what about talk radio? >> guest: talk radio started in the 1980s. there were around that the relaxation of the fairness doctrine where radio stations began to be less concerned that they are bided merely one point of view that they wouldn't get the fcc coming after them. there's also a story around satellite broadcasting. you have the ability to distribute radio programs via satellite meant that the rise of the personalities like rush limbaugh they could syndicat

cast aspersions at us where we've demonstrated that our antenna technology can cross low vs, high vs, uhf, any frequency band. the idea we can operate this in such a channel-packed world with all kinds of multipath interference that exists, i challenge anybody to demonstrate a technology that doesn't work like ours that gets a reliable signal to consumers. in fact, it is a heck of a lot more rational to free up those parts of the spectrum and move to lower frequency bands because technologies like aereo will still pick it up whereas you can use 6, 700 megahertz, those ranges, for data bands which is as all we know extremely important for our progress on mobile technologies. so those are -- that rhetoric has no basis in science, has no basis in engineering. it's a bunch of people who are tied to making money the way they're making it, and they think there is a constitutionality built into their model that is irrevocable. and the sad news for them -- and i'm sympathetic to this issue because the internet is happening to everybody. all of us. whether you run a retail store or a movie studio

well, and we talked about that even in flight, that it's accessible, the compartment where the uhf, vhfansponder, and systems are co-located. they're all right there. not only are they accessible from underneath and outside the aircraft before the flight, but after the flight and during the flight. from the cabin, you can get to them, as well. >> that needs to be worked on. thank you. this is from mike -- this of e-mailed from reed, "flight 370, has there been any real effort to disqualify a terror plot in which an aircraft is taken and then used later in an attack? all the best technological efforts have found nothing in the indian ocean. actually, no crash evidence at all, hmm." >> look, one of the main elements of warfare that we've used for hundreds of years is the element of surprise. and if this indeed was a tactic, the element of surprise is completely gone because everyone's air defenses are now at a heightened state because there could be something along those lines. so i don't -- it's not a card on the table as far as i'm concerned. there are very real potential theories that

and if we had a satellite that the broadcast over uhf coming you could pick it up directly on the tvith a normal antenna without a dish. they are then and shortwave. there is a technological revolution that is called digital radio and you can not only broadcast voice but you can broadcast text and video. who is going to get themselves a receiver? the people that find that there is a good signal being sent. we could flood the world with cheap receivers coming out of some people will get to them and they can listen to this stuff or watch it anonymously. with regards to audience statistics i just want to say i think that's what the voice of america does and what you do has been absolutely nothing short of heroic in the strategic environment of several administrations come and visit is a bipartisan problem. but i would say -- i would even caution you if i may say so to not shortstop yourself when it comes to audience statistics. if there is a single monk in a monastery in tibet, listen to the basic monastery commander then he tells the relevant piece of news to all of the rest of the mon

it will take that sound and send it back up to the airplane, the radio signals either vhf or uhf, getr something. we hear pinging from that one buoy. they're not just going to send out one. they're going to send out many in a pattern, see which one can pick up the signal the strongest, that way we know which one is the closest. >> all right. chad myers, thank you. >>> we are just edging toward the 7:00 hour officially on a saturday morning. you don't even have to get out of bed. it's saturday. enjoy it. i'm christi paul. >> at least not for a few hours. i'm victor blackwell. this is "new day" saturday. a lot going on this morning. huge standoff in nevada. a long-time rancher and the government are fighting over federal land. and this is becoming violent now. >>> also, the big announcement that colbert is going to be taking over after letterman retires. that's the buzz in the entertainment world today. we'll take you live to the ed sullivan theater. >> we're going to start with the latest on the search for flight 370. a late news kmps last night with australian prime minister tony abbo