that we have, is this specific to this case, because, you know, as i have tried to represent here, weengaged as he represented and we have conflicted advice from the sunshine ordinance task force and our city concern... and i think that will be helpful so that we don't find ourselves spending the same evening having the conversation if it is the will of the commission to provide the direction does this apply to all 80,000 addresses? >> so in terms of do you have to have some general attorney over everything, and based upon our decision tonight in this context? my opinion would be no, but in this situation, you do. if that is, if that is going to be the will of the commission. >> understood, thank you. >> and >> mr. hartz. >> members of the ethics commission, as mr. pilpal, has appeared in behalf of the defense i would like to make a couple of things clear, a department head like it or not is responsible for anything wrongful that happens in his department and yes he can sit there but mr. ginsburg got notice, and he knows that this is going on, he decided, or told somebody else who decided wh