president, and commissioners, i am here today with gary mitchell who is the managing partner at cana. and i believe that there were 17 e-mails of support and i think that those are with the commission. so if i could have the overhead for a minute and give you a little bit of background on this. this is located at florida, and mariposa streets and sort of the mission area. and sort of eastern mission. and it is an area if you will notice of a big, huge industrial buildings and there is a lot of one block zoning there and the muni bus yards and things and there are some of these big buildings have been converted to works including arto which is next door and this is what the bar looks like. and it is a beautiful space. and open, two story and there is a mezzanine and a kitchen. and the out reach march 31st, there were 25 people at the out reach and i was there and we have a sign up sheet with us today if you like to see it, and on april 10th, we put on posters and e-mails and talked to arto and nobody showed up to that meeting, on the 28th, we held another out reach meeting at 6:00 at t

gary in the front. always patient about waiting for the mike. >> i'm trying to remember your question. i write the mitchellt and when i've first heard about the indictment and then particularly listening to you today, being grilled by one of the best, i had two reactions one is about cost benefit and the other is about mr. rumsfeld's favorite, the known unknowns. with respect to cost benefit, the question that comes up for me is, though it is clear that you've been kax in the indictment to name specific warm bodies behind specific keyboards and how difficult it is to prove they were there when it was happening. we're thinking larger term. might look at it as a specific indictment of a specific person. it's my assumption that president xi and premier lee do not. as a consequence, if that's true, as a consequence it seems to me it raises the kind of questions must deal with the cost of pursuing this indictment worth the benefit of whatever the outcome might be? and of course these terms i'm talking both diplomatically but the difficulty of demonstrating just how much actual economic harm has been done and wi