ed talked about hipaa and i won't go into that. there are some i hate to say it's an unpleasant truth there are some seriously mentally ill people that need to be in hospitals. we do not have enough hospitals for them. we need more hospital beds. this build doesn't ignore that. it recognizes it in search to fix fix it. if we can only do one thing i want to cut spending. stop samhsa them funding anti-treatment advocacy and stop empowering that. you can see a lot of information on our web site how they do that. samhsa is the biggest problem we have. we have to recognize that some people are so sick they don't know that they are sick. when you see someone going down the street screaming at voices only they can hear yelling that they're the messiah it's not because they think they are the messiah. they know they are the messiah. the illness tells them they are the messiah and as the messiah there never going to volunteer for treatment. we have to recognize this reality. most importantly we have to expand the use of this outpatient trea

hipaa will not let me help my patients. i have better care that i want to combine with a better love. in a humanistic profession. that law will not allow me as a psychiatrist to be human. i don't know any psychiatrist who does not go through that experience and who would not feel that they trust themselves with the latitude to make a decision when something is a crisis. if you don't have that confidence in your doctor, go pick another doctor. it is a free country. you know? but if you trust your doctor, you trust them to make that appraisal. ofwe come to appreciate it denial brought us to this situation. all of these police officers who went to check out this one individual who did a disgusting thing in california, let's call it for what it is -- that is a familiar pattern. family expresses concerns, family smells it, authority looks into it, person in a mental health crisis does not want help, or lacks the insight or is invested in a bad outcome -- let's stop for a minute here. people who carry out mass killings, these are

the way hipaa is hidden behind is part of the. i have been that there because any better, just like mr. kelley knows better. i have been listened to the people who don't know that don't know how to do that. so changing the laws doesn't change the culture. it doesn't fund the programs and the outreach. i designed lots of programs to do outreach to people who have been on the streets for a long time, but unless we're working together to get that money, no matter how we change commitment laws or no matter how we change tonight, we are still not there. how do we get the money to get the services and change the culture? >> i want to have you get sick and. a dj to speak, go ahead. >> if i misled i apologize but your with mental health america, correct? [inaudible] >> i want to find a way to get health -- help for people like your son and my daughter, and my brother who was in treatment, who did exactly what dr. welner talked about. he had that suicidal intention and he kept it and she's dead. >> -- and he is dead. my question to you tho

. >> hipaa laws protect them. >> one of the other things that the sheriff said that stood out to us was the fact that based on all this information, he can deduce rodger had been planning this attack for at least a year. i want to ask you, are people that good at covering up tracks that he specifically was able to outsmart police or sheriff's deputies when they went to his home for this welfare check? >> yes. i think you should never underscore or underestimate anyone. i think there was one particular point where this young man crossed the threshold. that was approximately a month ago when he chose to purchase three very dangerous weapons, high capacity automatic pistols from three different locations. i think he had a threshold where he realized he was going to carry that out. as far as them being able to mask this, i don't think for this young man it was that problematic. through his own words, he'll speak to you as to how disenfranchised he was from main street america and in particular his own demographic. he could have been navigating, harboring these feelings and there would be no

they told us they would not speak about jeffrey's case because without a signed hipaa release form. >> they haven't received a bill from the hospital but when they do they will responsible for all of it >>> hundreds of students in the bay area honored the victims of the deadly rampage at uc-santa barbara. kpix 5's betty yu on the vigil at uc-berkeley. >> reporter: on the uc-berkeley campus a sea of uc-santa barbara sweatshirts and gaucho pride. hundreds of alumni and students from both schools wrote messages on a banner, lit candles and held hands during a moment of silence. >> it's comforting to know that we all have each other's backs. >> reporter: victoria knew four of the sick victims killed during elliot rodger's rampage. she lived with katie cooper, shot to death across the street from a sorority house. >> katie was exactly the type of girl that he maybe thought he was talking about when he took her. she was not that type of girl at all. >> reporter: elliott's first victives, david wang, james hong, george chen, were students there last spring. >> i thought they were all smart o

has stated that we want people to come forward with the information, that this is not a violation of hipaa if you have patient information to support poor patient care situations or dangerous situations, and that if there is retaliation, our response will be rapid and swiftly investigated -- >> catherine, got this load of people behind me who are very good and well connected in washington. they're about to get on the phone and make calls and see that if can't get somebody in washington to stan at some podium somewhere and say that. in the meantime, before we go, how it makes you feel when these politics on one side or another are basing the decisions on how they feel about things, what they believe about things, about the future of america's vas and their health care, on whether they're running for re-election and they're having a tough time. >> you know, until any politician is willing to come down and actually talk to the front line employees, whatever they say does not carry any weight with me. >> they haven't done that north, there in phoenix. >> no. correct. and i suspect not at any o

they have to become more open in these hipaa laws and have to be cut back with law enforcement and medicaland work together in identifying problems rather than being so worried about lawsuits and their licenses and what's going to happen to them later on down the line if they give up this information. i fully respect patient/client privilege but there's a certain time when we have to get law enforcement involved. we have to get the right people involved in this, the court system, and we have to go in there and take action instead of, well, i don't know if i can say anything because this is against my patient/client privilege. in this case, could something have been done? i'm not going to arm chair quarterback but give the police reasonable suspicion to go in and stop, question, frisk and search. if this case they would have found the manifesto, they would have been able to find the guns. they would have been able to interrogate the offender and this could have happened but you cannot do that when there is so much between attorney/client privilege and doctor/patient privilege. we are a laws

the hipaa laws are so tight right now that, in fact, anybody who has a mental disorder, whether it comesl take a look. let's not forget what's going on at the site. it looks like -- there seems to be pictures of multiple guns. again, it does appear that the man in the picture is elliot rodger and they say that is the suspect. elliot rodger, date of birth, 1974. ironically that's the date he gives in his opening manifesto. the deputies are the ones who have the lead in the investigation. we heard stories about the deputies who were running on foot, chasing the black bmw this young man, this killer, this gunman was actually driving and they seem to be setting it up right now. this is good. it looks like we have somebody from the hospital and perhaps they'll give us an update on some those who were injured. there we have the sheriff. let me stand down and let's hear what he has to say. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of the press. thank you for coming today. we apologize for the delay in starting this press conference. my name is bill brown. i am the sheriff coroner of santa barbara

they told us they would not speak about jeffrey's case without a signed hipaa release form. in sonoma county, andria borba, kpix 5. >> now, that couple has not received a bill from the hospital just yet but when they do, they will be responsible for the entire bill. >>> developing news on capitol hill. a new report on problems with va hospitals finds 1700 veterans waiting to see a doctor were never placed on an electronic waiting list. the house veterans affairs committee held a tense hearing last night. >> veterans died. get us the answers, please! >> the new report on delays has led to more calls for va secretary eric shinseki to step down. >>> some breaking news out of the ukraine this morning. 14 soldiers including a top general were killed when a ukrainian military haunt was shot down. the country's acting president says the chopper was brought down by rebels in the eastern ukraine. he says they used a portable air defense missile in that attack. >>> 19-year-old isla vista murder victim george chen will be honored at a candlelight vigil tonight. the memorial will be at

finally, hipaa laws need to change. >> privacy, you can't take away my prprivacy.u'll have a chilling affect on whether or not i want to get treatment because then i know it's not private. >> i think there's a balance between protecting people's rights but we have to relook at our privacy laws. the truth is we cannot treat people with severe mental illness without having their families involved. >> we have to relook at it but we've already done that. >> take a step further. >> they would rather say, look, seth roggin and jeb, they're upset because they're being blamed for it. this is buzzy. so "the washington post" puts an op-ed in there because that gets buzz. people want to hear about that. they don't want to hear this discussion. this sounds like you're making excuses for bad people. >> we're raised to learn and good and evil. how many of us are raised to learn about brain disorders and how somebody can look through the prism, the lens of delusion. that's what happened here. you know, was this masogany? no. through the lens of psychosis. ted kosinski, focused on

another one that concerns us are the current hipaa laws, which are well meaning, meant to protect privacy the case of a child like elliott roger with mental illness, 22 years old, because of privacy laws, parents may not even have had access to knowledge that would have helped them to help their son. for me personally, my son is 14. i'm terrified of what happens when he turns 18, and i can't help with his care anymore. so these provisions alone are reasons to really look at helping families in mental health crisis. it really gives our communities a chance to prevent tragedies like these, and again, like you said, brooke, every situation is unique. these are outliers on the vast majority of people in mental illness are not dangerous. but we so owe it to our children to make our communities safer. >> yes. >> for all children. >> i so appreciate you coming forward, sharing your very personal story. and just for folks to be able to read in congress, helping families in mental health crisis act, the one proposed by congressman tim murphy. liza long, thank you, thank you, as always, for coming

a long history of mental illness, your medical records are your own business, and the law known as hipaaat and someone with a severe history of mental illness, their parents would be allowed to be updated and continue to get information about their treatments. which, you know, sounds like a reasonable provision to a lot of people. so those are the two most controversial parts of the law right now, chris, and -- but i will say this, as opposed to almost anything else in washington, that law has dozens of bipartisan backers in the house of representatives right now. compared to most legislation down here, it's got some momentum. >> talk about the political reality of it. tom points to, ryan, what does the public want? is the public ready to give law enforcement more tools? that's the same question to lawmakers. what does the public want lawmakers to do? the last big push that came right after newtown was from the mansion-toomey proposal to make it, stricter gun checks for all commercial gun sales. that failed in the senate. why? because of politics. because of tough re-election battles for