continues, the economic costs -- >> you can look at these things and the climate realities and even this nca report says the trend on tornados isn't tern, the ippc report says the hurricane report isn't uncertain. i'm not a denier or skeptic, climate is changing, yes, manmade emissions are some part to that, but we haven't seen these trends. the observed data doesn't prove that. more importantly, the policy prescriptions, these green house gas regulations coming down, prohibiting building new coal-fire power plants will make us less equipped to handle these problems, whether they are more frequent or not. >> let's start with we don't agree on the facts. this third report came out saying it's very serious, you say, no, right? there's the essence of the problem, s.e. the science, the researchers say yes. >> not all the researchers. even the ippc says there's no frequency or intensity when it comes to hurricanes. >> hurricane, smhurricane. >> it's increasing at a slower rate over the past few years. we've had arctic ice globally increasing. >> bill, isn't it a problem when science guys attempt