we interviewed ta-nehisi coates on thursday. the first part of our conversation, go to democracynow.org. this is part two. >> one of the things you mentioned in the article, when people speak about racism or white supremacy in this country, they are usually talking about individual acts, for instance, donald sterling and the los angeles clippers and his remarks have gotten widespread attention. but they don't want to talk about any institutional manifestations of racism. you write "it is very hard to except white supremacy as a structure erected by actual people as a choice, as an interest, as opposed to all momentary bout of insanity." this goes back to what i was saying earlier, we have this -- our notion of racism is donald sterling, cliven bundy, somebody says something that seems intemperate. we think of it as a matter of the heart. this is why become so explosive to call somebody "racist." you're basically calling them a child molester or something like that. the statements of individuals are largely more symptomatic and t

somebody out into the wild, which is what happened to black people, would not be a good thing. >> ta-nehisi coatesu very much for being with us. we're going to do part two right after the show and we will post online at democracynow.org. ta-nehisi coates is a national correspondent of the atlantic -- at the atlantic where he writes about culture, politics and social issues. he has just written a cover story for the magazine called, "the case for reparations." he is also author of the memoir "the beautiful struggle." democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!] greg the group started

ta-nehisi coates who writes about race and culture for "the atlantic" and welcome him to the broadcast, we're also joined by georgetown university's michael eric dyson. and bill rhoden the sports columnist for "new york times." let me start with you. i think as we were hearing from the mayor this morning, it looks like sterling may try to just stick this thing out. his wife said that she's willing to go along with the nba. you think he's going to fight this? >> from day one. there will be a lot of blood on the street. this guy doesn't get to be a billionaire without being a pushover. this is going to be a bloody fight. if you think that he's going to give his franchise easily, particularly right now the worst thing in the world for him clippers now have become -- though may well go to the nba finals. that will kill him more than any punishment there could be. just lay back. i think that a lot of the owners after saying hip-hip-hurray have started to rethink this. what does this -- what implications does this happen for me. i think that we're going to have a long fight. which i think is

it's by ta-nehisi coates. over the course of 18 pages, coates draws on the work of scholars and the experience of ordinary americans to indict america's systemic and ongoing theft of black wealth. writes coates, the memories of those robbed of their lives still live on in the lingering effects. indeed in america there's a strange and powerful belief that if you stab a black person ten times, the bleeding stops and the healing begins the moment the assailant drops the knife. we believe white dominance to be a fact of the past, delinquent debt that can be made to disappear, if only we don't look. but there has always been another way. up next, mr. coates joins me at the table to discuss his case for that other way. >> we can't talk about the economic problem that the negro confronts without talking about billions of dollars. we can't end slums in the final analysis without seeing the necessity to take profit out of slums. oh! the name your price tool! you tell them how much you want to pay, and they help you fin