save the day oh my guess today's out of the flotus we had all the head of the international energy for. civil war says ukrainian towns aflame a different kind of conflict is brewing a gas war with moscow will kill you hold your pasta. is there an alternative to gas flow from moscow. all the way to winter though florida squid all the secretary general of international energy forum welcome to the show it's great to have you with us all right so i'm going to start from the later this year oh wants energy independence what do you think can it ever achieve that goal what it has no significant natural energy reserves of its own is it something doable. energy independence as a concept on its own is. a very weak concept for pursuing energy policy no country's energy independent and it's very unlikely that cunt anyone can achieve that the world of energy is one of introduced pendants it's a message that we constantly emphasize in the context of the producer consumer dialogue conducted under the idea of. so you know how europe's dependence on russian gas for it seems something of a cliche is it

and we're back with as the flotus we are going to national energy forum secretary general a great to have you back so i do want to continue talking about this whole shale gas revolution because europe and ukraine have shale gas reserves and they are untapped now is this crisis situation going to advance their development what do you think well we have seen that they need disruption to energy flows dolls' increased attention to paul this is of diversification and fracking of a bit of possibility of using hydraulic frogger fracturing concrete oil and gas production in europe is therefore now with more emphasis on the table and well it's part of the search of energy security it is indeed one of the components of diversification is not the only one but clearly given the issues that we have now seen with respect to gas trade route. russia and europe well it becomes more interesting to see what can be done we shall i guess oil and gas you certainly know about fracking much more than i do so how safe of a technology is it because we do see a lot of anti fracking protests worldwide like bulg

a couple of your tweets -- school lunch rules looked -- backed by flotus. ladyre quoting the first saying, we all have a right to expect that our hard-earned taxpayer dollars will be spent on junk food. what broke down over the last six months or year? a mysterious situation. a lot of people in the nutrition community are scratching their heads about how we got into this position. is obama administration fighting bitterly to keep the standards intact. back in 2010, when lunch reform laws passed, the obama administration in the school nutrition association, which represents school nutrition professionals as well as school suppliers, they were on the same team. fast forward to today. andadministration republicans are looking to give will more flexibility. they are arguing schools are having trouble implementing them and they are costing too much money. schools are operating in the red . all of this has caused a lot of contentious dialogue. i think it is interesting how forcefully the first lady has come out in support of this. she has held meetings in the whi