it today, senator, but there's a clearance process on everything that we provide. >> why was the lewton death on those tracks in west haven not an ed regis and aggravated case statements for the record, we will get you again what we believe was the legal basis for our fine. but sender, again i want to come back to something that i said earlier, that the purpose of fines, it's not necessary to punish. and the hammer is but one tool that we have in our toolbox, and we need to make sure that we have multiple approaches to drive continuous safety improvements. >> well, it may be only one tool, but it is one of the preeminent tools. and when you fail to use it, you are leaving yourself essentially -- >> well, as i said, senator -- >> and worst -- >> the five years i've been here we have, in fact, set a record for the highest dollar amount of fines levied or any five year period. so with the tools i have, we are doing what we can do. >> let me conclude on this point, is only one of miniscule penalties, five and $10,000 over the period of 10 years that's been document it. >> senator, certainly