mr. hagstrom a lot of questions and exactly why kid he get the bonuses? pretty massive bonuses for three years. he said he had no idea. he had no idea. how is there a connection between performance when, shazam, the bonus shows up in a paycheck. are there personal visits every time between the immediate supervisor and folks like glen hagstrom or simply paperwork. >> there should be a personal visit. i cannot confirm there is. they should have seen the rating and understand the rating they received is what is tied to the award amount, depending on your rating depends on what percentage of an award you receive, and that rating is based on their performance. >> according to mr. hagstrom's testimony there was no such visit no such communication, and no connection, obviously, between performance and retention and his pretty significant bonuses. is that required in the rules and regulations, there's an actual meeting. >> i do not believe a meeting is required. >> no required meeting. i so, exactly how does this improve performance? there's no understanding of t

mr. hagstrom's testimony on may 7, 2013 there was no such visit no such communication, and no connection, obviously, between performance and retention and his pretty significant bonuses. is that required in the rules and regulations, there's an annual meeting? >> i do not believe the meeting is required. >> no required meeting. so, exactly how does this improve performance? and no understanding of that. i presume -- and you've only been there nine mons and mongoose these -- i guess in the year december end of year evaluations for most folks and you have been through that with your folks immediately below you, right? >> no. they were just receiving their final evaluation when i arrived. >> mid-year evaluations -- >> oh, mid-year, yes, congressman. >> so the december evaluations, i in other words from the testimony, you didn't do go through the december evaluations or who did that? >> we didn't do mid- -- we do mid-year in the last 30 days, not in december. >> end of the year is december. what did you do during those evaluations, mite with your folks that worked for you? >> that's happening

mr. len hagstrom was before the committee. we determined that committee hearing a massive failing, the bonus issue came up with him. i believe he was an ses executive. i asked him a lot of questions. i asked him exactly why did he get the bonuses? massive bonuses for three years. madam secretary, he said he had no idea. he had no idea. how is there a connection between performance when shazam the bonus just shows up in a paycheck. are there personal visits every time between the immediate supervisor and folks like len hagstrom or paperwork? >> there should be a personal visit. i cannot confirm there is. they should have seen the rating and understand the rating they received is what is tied to the award amount. depending on your rating depends on what percentage of an award you receive. that rating is based on their performance. >> according to mr. hagstrom's testimony may 7, '13, there was no visitation and no connection between performance and retention and his pretty significant bonuses. is that required in the rules and re