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officers are william binney and thomas drake mr binney has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow concentrated surveillance doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were being snooped on online by the n.s.a. they also give us the number this is an estimate tens of thousands of german users will be now finding themselves on the tor database listed as extremists now. he also said that the united states and the n.s.a. needed to defer needed to create a a moral standards modeled standard in what information they are snooping into said that current legislation just doesn't do that as he wrapped up his testimony the german committee chairman committee members who are who are listening to what it had to say said that he was a tireless and brave man and a light to the world so he's give his testimony we're waiting to see what more comes out of this ongoing committee hearing to try and find out just the sh

officers william binney and thomas drake mr binney has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow concentrated surveillance c doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were being snooped on online by the n.s.a. he also said that the united states and the n.s.a. needed to create a a moral standard modeled standard in what information they are snooping into and he said that current legislation just doesn't do that so he's give his testimony we're waiting to see what more comes out of this ongoing committee hearing to try and find out just the sheer scale and scope of the n.s.a. spying here in germany but it was a good snowden revealed how internet giant such as facebook google shared information on the users with the n.s.a. but some companies did refuse to cooperate with government requests and kept their customer's data private we told the owner of one such company about attempts to reform the agenc

officers william binney and thomas drake mr binney has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow concentrated surveillance doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were being snooped on online by the n.s.a. you also said that the united states and n.s.a. needed to create a a moral standard modeled standard in what information they. snooping into me said that current legislation just doesn't do that so he's give his testimony be waiting to see what more comes out if they say all men go in committee hearing to try and find out just the sheer scale and scope of the n.s.a. spying here in germany now is our peter oliver. and now to the crisis in ukraine yesterday foreign ministers of ukraine and russia backed the new ceasefire plan with an agreement to restart peace talks by saturday meanwhile the fighting between and ikea forces and government authorities continues today at least seven people were ki

did to him well let me frame it a little bit for you in november of two thousand and nine bill binney and i received a communication from our lawyer after we were raided in two thousand and seven we went have disease on a lawyer rather than pay to. the lawyer was a former u.s. prosecutor so we thought he'd know how to deal with the government. he told us to lay low in november two thousand and nine he sends an e-mail and he says guys i just got a call from the department of justice they're coming after you. so bill and i made an appointment with him and we went into baltimore and sat down at his desk. he was completely surprised by this move he thought it would go away well it wasn't. so that was the end of that for the holidays it was november when we got this message come january we get another e-mail there's a new prosecutor for the government the old one had left the government and we are being offered letters of immunity if we are willing to sit down with the f.b.i. and the prosecutor for the disarmament of justice and sir questions about thomas drake and so bill and i agree we'l

particularly just how involved the german security services were in helping that spying take place william binney and thomas drake of to form a very senior n.s.a. officers who turned whistleblower they're now talking to a german parliamentary committee of inquiry and will be waiting to see what they what they they have to say it had been wanted by many that edward snowden would actually take part in this inquiry however to do is to a large calls for him actually to get asylum here in germany but none of the materialized that's been put down to the fact that the german and u.s. security services have very close ties and is also particularly close ties between barack obama and bill americal closely so no snowden taking part in this however we wait and see what these two offices have to say and peter many users try to protect their privacy using online anonymity software but that's no longer an effective solution for many how does the n.s.a. target anonymous networks like that well this is just emerged in the german media of people using tor the top project basically what it does is it allows you to

they'll be no testimony from snowden but we've been waiting to see what thomas drake and william binneyhave to say as they appear before this committee right artie's peter all of our ally for us from berlin with that update thank you. x. mission was among the first internet service providers in the u.s. to shield customers from government eavesdropping pete ashdown is its founder he joins us live with some more insight and analysis on this thank you for joining us here so how hard is it to deny the u.s. government access to your databases and are there any repercussions from that it's not hard at all you essentially need to follow the bill of rights fourth amendment of man a warrant traditionally most requests that we have received from law enforcement and the government did not fall under a proper warrant and we turn them back now one day a group of internet firms from six countries follow the lawsuit against the u.k. intelligence agency g c h q what do you think will be the fallout from that. it's hard to say that it's going to have any impact at all i would have loved to of joined th

they'll be no testimony from snowden but we've been waiting to see what thomas drake and william binney have to say as they appear before this committee. discusses what's going on in ukraine with the european commission or stay with us are worlds apart. yes it's official the mainstream media must be made up of stereotypical gossipy teenage girls i mean how else can you explain the fact that michelle obama using the term chipped has become a scandal i don't white house summit on working families mrs obama explained that when she was working part time she realized she was getting chipped because she was sexual king full time but only getting paid the part time salary technically the term gypped is somewhat racist it implies a gypsy's are all con men but in the modern world i think most people don't even know where the term comes from i doubt michelle obama likes a medieval peasant shield her children from wandering gypsies who could give them the evil eye or seriously question if there was any deep racial intent in the statement i personally would let the first lady off the hook but the q

. >> before edward snowden, there was william binney: a former senior official at the nsa who helped develop some of the early technology being used in the data collection programs. >> he says 9/11 was a turning point for the agency. he left his job just weeks after the attacks, and became a whistleblower. >> with 9/11 everything changed here. some of them said this is a gift to nsa and what it meant was now we can just about get any kind of budget we want and build our nsa so much larger and get so many more contracts and so much more money and do so many more things and that's exactly what they did. >> when you actually have even private conversations with members of the agency, what you hear is 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. >> general alexander, can you give the best argument for how these programs actually work to protect americans? 9/11. connecting the dots. we need programs to connect the dots. >> but it didn't stop 9/11. is there a case where it did work? >> we didn't have the programs, >> i imagine there are some people who are so frightened, who are so scar

whistleblower like bill binney and thomas drake so they are investigating it with quite something andi think this is seen as a threat actually certainly by the usa because because they. they were created to spy from the german intelligence community to feed back what was going on within this committee hearing so they are taking it seriously i think the germans are taking it seriously because they have to be seen to be doing so because there's been such an outpouring of anger from the german people of course within living memory we've had both. the stasi the east german secret police spying on citizens in this country and brutalizing them so there's a very strong constitution in place to stop that happening again and this is why germany particularly in europe is so angry about what the n.s.a. and its vassal. u.k. this new post has been getting up to in germany right and some german officials have even suggested going back to the typewriter to protect classified government information from ending up in some massive database but anyway you suggest that this might be exactly the type of t

right to discuss the implications of all of this on us german relations i want to bring in william binney former n.s.a. whistleblower bill thank you so much for joining me at this point germany has seen everything from an essay spying to two now to alleged double agents do you think this diplomat being expelled is a proportional response considering the recent events. well i think that's pretty pretty standard procedure i mean we've had like israelis recruiting people inside the u.s. government to spy for them so i mean this goes on with the spy agencies around the world they attempt to recruit people in the standard practice is to. throw them out of the country after you catch them now to be clear this intelligence representative is the cia chief of station he is responsible for coordinating secret service activities and germany i mean how big of a wasp would this representative be to to u.s. intelligence efforts in the country i would impact simply because that is that administrator is not a someone who's doing the work so whatever work is being done is still being done by people who ar

but again finally with this bill binney is saying it like they're using this to blackmail heads of state but the new york times back in two thousand and thirteen september twenty eighth thirteen reported that the n.s.a. has since two thousand and ten applied sophisticated software to create quote social network diagrams unlock as many secrets about individuals as possible and pick up sensitive information like regular calls to a psychiatry office late night messages to an extramarital partner why they're collecting that data we don't know you better get your blackmail insurance now so merritt was built on competition and it will sink on you know type of view through little holes looking at teenagers. i think i don't think i'm hash tag anaconda. you know that's true all right well thank you. stay tuned for the second half oh whole lot more. please. crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want. they want to so this is bad to the middle ages a public event. for the you know they derive their ability to live very very rigid interpretation of iraq if you look at a cou

thomas drake and william binney, for example. but what was the problem? what we could point to they're doing today, look at at this that, look subpoena record or technology, look at the number of employees or the dod budget as a whole. that is a very complex picture. that is not a picture that can generate political reform in a debate. what edward snowden did, by bringing out the classified documents, official documents -- even some of them just last year -- he was able to show even to the people who didn't understand the complexity, of what was exactly going on. we have rick people did try to start a debate -- we have roof. people did try to start a debate. >> hillary clinton again. >> i would say certainly, there are many people in our history who have raised serious questions about government behavior. they have done it either with or without whistleblower protection. and they have stood and faced whatever the reaction was to make their case in public. >> julian assange? is alluding to, without mentioning the name, as daniel ellsberg, the famous pentag