said, isstood up and in that going to affect the margins? i lost it. i literally lost it. used words that were not appropriate today and i walked out. i knew that i had had it. i had had it. >> this was before the merger. >> this was after the merger. this was after 9/11. right after 9/11. we were supposed to have a board meeting. >> the merger was in 1998-1999? and took in 2000 effect in 2001. were atour journalists ground zero and it was so shocking. so stunning. at the inception of the world trade center in 1966. laid and inerstone had a helicopter. g andbody was oooin ahhing. i saw all these first responders passing parts to each other and -- i am not presuming age -- like world war ii. here is new york city. the emotions of the family affected me. they had a family member who had shown up at work that day and was gone. >> in some cases, never to be seen. >> never to be seen. the trauma is what i felt. that is what companies should be about. the community. i have done some writing that has never seen the light of day. equityabout spirits will -- spiritual equity. plans