air mattia never going to talk to you? >> many of them are starting to come around and recognized what the problem is. more and more well. it takes some people a longer time to see what is going on than others. neil: to your credit, without casting political spurs, the way this is starting up it's not dead. the way that we view but it's just a warning. this train is leaving the station and it's not on the tracks. >> not only that, but the thing that really gets lost is the fact that the most important thing you have is health and to take that and place it in the hands of bureaucrats, we have already seen what has happened with the va and the layers of bureaucracy and how typical it is to get something simple done. it's difficult. this is going to be much worse. neil: do you think people will die as a result? >> without western. two is a choosing sides? >> yes. and everyone would see that after a while. my hope is that more rational minds will come to bear on this. >> that you were banking on maybe the shifting of the senat