they're employed by som or -- i don't know the names of all of the other architectural firms but heller madis, et cetera, et cetera, so unless you are actually involved in some of these projects that are currently under way, and i would like you to clarify that for me, i see no reason why you shouldn't continue on the arts commission. i think the issue is whether or not you are directly involved either in the bidding process or even in the architectural process of these existing projects that skid more you [inaudible] and has currently so if you could respond to that i would preecial it, but -- appreciate it, but otherwise if you're not involved and able to recuse yourself from anything with a decision on design review for those projects i would be satisfied with that. >> okay. so my request is for two specific projects so it's not a blanket request. the first is moscone center which is a project we currently have and went through a open request for proposal. the second one is a project for san francisco airport which we understand is about to continue its renovation program and we think ther