is going to end but it has raised enough questions that i am very grateful to hassan abbas and ikram sehgal for helping us understand which way this is going and what development questions are. until and unless pakistani society, pakistan civil government, institutions and the military can get together and carve out a national strategy and create a nexus between counterterrorism and counterinsurgency this is not going to end well. on that less than optimistic note i thank you all for coming and join me in thanking our guests. [applause] ..

i am delighted that we are looking at this topic, and i am delighted to welcome two experts ikram sehgal, and hassan abbas. he is the chair of the department of regional and analytical studies at the college of international security affairs. more details on them are available in the material you have. i do not want to take too much time going into the spirit i want to say that this session is on the records, but it is also a possible by a very generous grant we have received from the carnegie corporation of new york for u.s.-pakistan programs to focus on key issues that relate to pakistan and to the u.s.-pakistan relationship. we are vagary grateful to carnegie for this excellent program and their support. north waziristan, it evokes all kinds of memories, particularly in the last few years. this was the campaign that never came about that led to a break between the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and -- [indiscernible] this was something that people expected because it was something the allies wanted the polling -- the pakistan allies to undertake him even as they operated

and also that the single slide you saw, which was brought with us by ikram sehgal, we will be putting the whole thing on our web site so it will be available to all of you for information. please identify yourself and ask your question. >> i am from pakistan. i have a question. i am giving this conviction, when you think about the years lost, what in those four years need to be identified? what was the army doing in those times, starting off -- the startup operations. in between all the agencies which are spread and regularly be taken or the actions being taken so it is important to know what is going on in addition to what took place when the pakistan army was involved. also the important decision, the importance of the competition that runs -- another hot spot of the terrorists that was important for the army to take that was also affecting u.s. forces, taking the un those. when you talk about the full use, you do have what happens within the full year under -- otherother -- other than the other things. all of a sudden it is not -- the a tiny networks for the session -- what next? w