. >> well, i guess i was told by jonathan blum before he left that there was a policy change within cms that was initiated and made -- may be numerous policy changes but there was a policy change between 2011-2012 that dealt with the way that they start to refer these to you. part of it is rac, and he needed a legislative expect my question to him was, if there was a policy change why do you need a legislative fix? but what i'm concerned about is, is what changed in 2011 or 2012 to make this number grow that you are getting when we are not seeing payments, improper payments actually go down. so we have seen that progress in terms of improper payments and yet we have this huge problem on her hands and we are not saving any money. so what changed in 2011 or 2012? i would yield back to the chairman. >> well, the big thing was the recovery audit of course. talked about that. that was initially a pilot program. we saw i think it was four states, and speed that that was an act of congress. he indicated it was a policy within their agency that, i don't know if -- >> and it's probably, i mean,

i've dealt with jonathan blum. i called to make sure that kathleen sebelius knew about it. i called the white house. and you know what? you say too bad. so what do i tell the moms and dads who are going to lose their job because they do not get a fair hearing? what do we tell them? >> we, sir, we are able to do what we're authorized to do. whether it is alternative payment arrangement or something else working with provider we have -- >> you have five years for alternative payment arrangement. i know this stuff. i've been studying last six months, five years. so if the backlog is 10 years, what do they do, what do they do? they just pay it? because right now, at a million people, at a million appeals, your rate, the best rate that we've had from the adjudicatetores is 79,000 a year. even with your budget increase, that would still be a 10-year delay. that's a taking in my book. would you wait for 10 years for your salary? yes or no? >> we do whatever we're authorize to the do working with providers to try to make the burden system less burdensome. we can not overstepped aut