mr. elmendorf when he leaves office. >> is mr. elmendorf leaping, saying? >>leaving, that is a good question. the situation is more confusing because he came in on an unexpired term when he started in 2000 and nine -- 2009. my guess is that he would not stay for a while. elmendorf is a democratic appointee. i'm sure the house want their own person there. story about this and i had republican sources close to tom price, who is likely to be the house budget chairman, because paul ryan is moving on to ways and means, likely, indicating he would likely keep elmendorf. and jeff sessions, who would likely be the check -- these -- the chairman of the senate budget also like elmendorf. i think the reason is if they present anserve -- conservative budget, they want a neutral referee. i think there's the possibility he could be allowed to stay on. >> thank you both very much for your time. q&a, our guest is robert a katzman, chief judge of the u.s. circuit court of appeals. ,e talked about his new book "judging statutes," which explores his views about how they shoul