ron clark is the founder of the ron clark academy, prominent middle school that serves as an educationalng facility for teachers across the country. so, you have heard about this report. let me ask about the academy. what time do the kids start? >> they start at 8:00. some arrive as early as 7:15. >> how do they perform? >> we love it. i'm not a morning person. what's best for kids, the kids in our 8:00 classes focus better, test scores are better, teachers want their classes at 8:00 a.m. because kids tend to retain more information earlier in the morning. >> what drives the decision, though in terms of when to start? i'm sure part of it is, obviously, trying to gauge how the students will do. there are a lot of forefactor that weigh in? >> it's society. parents have to get to work. they need to drop their kids off at 7 lone 15. it's to accommodate the society we live in. >> school buses recycle from one group of students to the next group of students so you have to start them at staggered times as well. things like that make a difference. when you hear the studies, saw the piece there,

to talk more about it is ron clark, the founder of ron clark academy, a middle school that serves as educational training facility for tens of thousands of teachers from across the country. thank you for being on the program. >> thanks so much for having me. >> let me ask about the academy. what time do they start there? >> they start at 8:00 and some arrive as early as 7:15. >> how is that first part of the day for them? how do they perform, how do they do? >> they love it. i'm not a morning person. the kids in the 8:00 classes tend to focus better and test scores are better. and teachers want the classes at 8:00 a.m. because kids tend to retain more information earlier in the morning. >> what drives the decision, though, in terms of when to start? i'm sure part of it is obviously trying to gauge how the students are going to do but there's a lot of other factors that weigh in? >> it's society. it's the parents. because they need to get to work they need to drop the kid off at 7:15 so they can get to work on time. it's to accommodate the society we live in. >> and school buses will

ron. joining me now is james clark, a community activist in the st. louis area.s the vice president of the better family life organization. mr. clark, how have the police explained the multiple shots fired by the police officer in this case? >> well, up to this point we have received limited information from the police. we are expecting to receive more information tomorrow. and so we are looking to have a portion of this situation satisfied with that information. >> because of the situation of a police officer firing their gun, each shot has to be justified. and whatever the justification the officer thought he might have had for the first shot, once that hits the victim, it's very hard to see what justification there could possibly be even in the mind, even in the imagination of an officer after that first shot. >> well, we are concerned about the number of shots. we are concerned that a single shot was fired. this is a situation that a cop that probably could have been resolved without shots fired. we understand that the officer was also equipped with a taser.

. >> jonathan clark, what d do you make of ron johnson, bridging the gap between the anger of the community and perhaps the local police department, chief jackson who is starting to try this case in public? >> i spoke yesterday evening with a friend of mine who was in law enforcement, knows ron jackson and knows of his family. ron johnson i'm sorry and those of his family. so he appears to be a credible figure and i think that the community has embraced him. what is going to be the thing that we need to watch really carefully here is whether the community gets a feeling had he's just a figure head, just a face, a profile that's been placed there to assuage them and calm them down. if there's a lack of confidence not in captain johnson, whether he just is not the face of this right now then i think you're going to continue to have people on the ground who are agitated. and i don't know that the wound closes unless people have confidence in the system that's behind captain johnson versus the man himself. i think he's proven himself, just in these early hours, to be honorable. and to be capabl

ron. joining me now is james clark, a community activist in the st. louis area.s the vice president of the better family life organization. mr. clark, how have the police explained the multiple shots fired by the police officer in this case? >> well, up to this point we have received limited information from the police. we are expecting to receive more information tomorrow. and so we are looking to have a portion of this situation satisfied with that information. >> because of the situation of a police officer firing their gun, each shot has to be justified. and whatever the justification the officer thought he might have had for the first shot, once that hits the victim, it's very hard to see what justification there could possibly be even in the mind, even in the imagination of an officer after that first shot. >> well, we are concerned about the number of shots. we are concerned that a single shot was fired. this is a situation that a cop that probably could have been resolved without shots fired. we understand that the officer was also equipped with a taser.

it starts with -- the whole idea started with pat clark but i written an article about ron miller, andhe is a buckaroo, a fourth generation buckaroo, wrote the article for the high desert journal. and she said let's do a book. of course, i was really excited about it. we started to get how to go about it. the first thing i did was to write the story, but then to put it together i ordered some cowhide from north carolina. and they have the hallmarks of what the animals had lived through, some barb wire scars and bite marks that had been healed. and we liked that aspect. so we took the hide one by one and lay them out on a large table and cut out the leather cover. so this binding itself is called italian long stitch. we have five signatures, and i'll explain what those are. the closure is a step the goes around the side and goes into a little group to keep it all together. the pages were all hand torn individually. it's about 100 pages. and so we took a large sheet of paper and then we actually with the to size. so each page has been handled quite a few times. the beginning page is hors

clark. i had written an article about ron miller, and he is a buckaroo, fourth generation buck aroo and said, let's do a book. i was excited about and it we start figuring out how to go about it. and then to put it together i ordered some cow hides from north carolina, and they had the hallmarks of what the animal lived through. some barbed wire scars and bite marks that were held, -- healed. so we like that expect and we took the hides and laid them out on a large table and cut out the leather cover. so this binding itself is called italian long stitch. we have five signatures, and i'll explain what those are. the closure is a strap that goes around the side and goes into a little loop to keep it all together. the pages were all hand-torn, individually. it's about 100 pages, and so we took a large sheet of paper and then we actually ripped it to size. so each page has been handled quite a few times. the beginning page is horse hair. a print we made using horse hair and a brayer, and that's the end pages for it. then i want to tell you about the signatures. a signature is a group of pages th