former defense big wig torrey clark, author of the survivors guide to washington. you could have been one better, thought of how to maybe blow up washington, with these guys, holy cow, i can't believe this stuff, these are actually, i don't know to go flew yo througw tos. >> you hate to almost give them credit or credibley by repeating what they do, but anyone who underestimates the seriousness of the threat, they tell us, and publishing it in english to make it more convenient. neil: who are they reaching out to? american malcontents? >> i think they have multiple targets audiences, they are always trying to recruit and inspire, the tight is for a reasons, inspire, they want to recruit, and retain people, and inspire them to do bad things, they want to scare us and disrupt us, they are clear about their intent. neil: i have not read through both pub cakes, i say -- publications, i saw, everything west bad, every them good. so like a mixed up, upside down world, jus death is justified, d murder and mayhem is justified, it is a scary world if they get control of it.