denise noonan slaven has spent 20 years as a judge and works as a krome detention center in miami. prior to that served as a prosecutor for ins. she worked for the department of justice. the criminal division bringing to justice nazi war criminals in the united states. dano lee marks is a 27 year judge raised in san francisco. prior to that an attorney where she specialized in immigration and where she also was the lead counsel in the landmark supreme court case that set the applicable standards for asylum cases. so first, we will hear from judge marks. >> welcome, everyone. hang onto your hats because today the judge and i will take you on a whirlwind two were -- tour of an alternate legal universe. you may think you recognize the terrain but the normal laws basic to everyday events do not seem to function as they do in other places as we expect them to. i am talking about looking through the looking glass world of immigration courts. experienced lawyers are surprised to encounter many of the things i will tell you about today. most members of the public do not have a clue about t