we're joined by malcolm chalmers. who once wrote the article, "defense of an independent scotland." first we'd like to ask you about your own loyalties in this. after all you were born in scotland. do you consider yourself a scotsman? >> i do very much so. i was born grew up in scotland, went to university in grand, met an english girl, and have lived here most of my life. i'm very much scottish but i'm british as well. the union we have created has bested both scotland and england. >> you would not want to see this division not see scotland break off. >> no i wouldn't, there are many, many people in gland, if you visit and talk here, there are a number of people who say they have got a scottish cousin or grandfather. people in scotland the number of people there my mother's family came from england and settled in glas gow. glasgow. these nations have incredibly close bonds as a result of three centuries together. >> so it would be something of a separation, something of a divorce if these two nations split. >> it would do. what passport would i have? i guess i might end up with two