. >> in the first interview since bernie madoff's arrest, his wife ruth... >> i trusted him. >> and son andrew... >> that's who i am. my name is madoff. and i'll live with that for the rest of my life. >> speak out about crime, guilt, suicide... >> mr. madoff, what do you have to say for yourself? >> and the day bernie admitted to committing the largest financial fraud in history. >> and he said, "i have a confession to make. i've been running a ponzi scheme." [ticking] >> do you think you could pull off this scam today? >> given the same security measures? >> yep. >> easily. piece of cake. >> sam eshaghoff's scam was getting paid thousands of dollars to take the s.a.t. test for other students. he did it at least 16 times, scoring in the 97th percentile of the country. >> i would call him an academic gun for hire. that's what he was. >> welcome to 60 minutes on cnbc. i'm bob simon. in this edition, we examine two very different kinds of fraud. bernie madoff's wife and surviving son break their silence about wall street's most infamous criminal. and later, we visit a high school con man

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the son of bernie madoff? >> yes. just this morning i obtained a copy of t it is public record.t is a fascinating document. >> is there anything in there that the indicate will was -- >> it was produced by one of the best probate firms in the world. the will itself doesn't give much financial data, but the probate papers indicate that he had an estate of $16 million. so the question is, where did all those funds come from. and i'll leave that for the lawyers to defend. >> let's move on to another sum , $35 million. that was the value of the estate for the late -- >> lady diana. >> well, when she died, she was no longer a royal, so she left her estate to her tucsons which were royals. because she was not a royal, cher estate was taxed under british law at 40%. so although she got some of hat money from charles a. -- from charles, it was taxed at 40%. it was surprising to me that here weren't more charitable contributions in her will. >> what about marilyn monroe? >> when she died she was loyal to her acting teacher. she left him 75% of her estate outright, even though he was olde

gender component but the other piece of it is like she can't actually punch out rush limbaugh and bernie madofft she is the muscle feels both to me like a particular thing that that's doing to the president as well as like an elevation of like the black woman ass almost too much. she and oscar de la renta also did not get along. >> that was also consistent. hillary rodham clinton was also the muscle in the white house. she didn't bare her arms. separately as a fashion issue, i think all women that i've dealt with and spoken to have an insecurity about their arms. it's a really delicate issue that women face. i don't know where it stems from. but it's consistent. so it's kind of interesting that michelle doesn't have that issue. she's an outly loutlier. >> sarah palin, we're talking about first ladies. she was running for the vice presidency and doing so in high heels and pencil skirts and there was a lot of critique that she had spent too much money on her fashion. sort of the nancy reagan point. what were her other choices? >> she also was constructed. she clearly was plucked out of nowhere. >

. >> in the first interview since bernie madoff's arrest, his wife ruth... >> i trusted him. >> and sondoff. and i'll live with that for the rest of my life. >> speak out about crime, guilt, suicide... >> mr. madoff, what do you have to say for yourself? >> and the day bernie admitted to committing the largest financial fraud in history. >> and he said, "i have a confession to make. i've been running a ponzi scheme." [ticking] >> do you think you could

costing people marriages and jobs and relationships and sometimes landing them in prison -- hello bernie madoff-- that's where it becomes something that damages the person and the culture around them. >> i am glad that you once again went to sex because -- people without pants on seems to be a theme in your book. both of you guys actually write some fascinating thing about sex, and both of you -- i just -- as a male, i'm very shallow. christian pointed that out to me in his book. and jeffrey, some things you talk about sex about how sticky and full of germs and it goes against everything my instinct usually tells me. don't touch those things, but in section i do. so, i would love to get your -- what you both think in this culture where narcissism is on the rice and social media is rampant and is the new reality, how is that changing sex? >> you first. raft. >> well, okay, cupid is doing well. >> it's all the same to me at this point. >> i don't know if it's really changing it. so many of the things that are funny or laughable about how people act on ok cupid, whether it's guys exaggerating that