all right, we can talk to mark goldring, the executive at gold firm. what is wrong with rich people. >> there is nothing wrong with rich people, and we applaud the efforts to create wealth. the challenge is how it's spread and how it's used. as the rich get richer, the very poor are not benefiting. the gap between rich and poor is widening. over the year we said that 85 people own as much as half the world's population. what we are a he seeing is that is getting worse. unless we tackle it, we will not be irradicating poverty at the speed that we possibly could do so. that means more children don't go to school. it means more mothers die in childbirth, and it means more people go to bed hungry. >> michael: is this not an inevitable consequence of having free market capitalism across much of the world? would you say that many of these countries go for the communist model, for instance? >> no, certainly not. we're welcoming capitalism. we're welcoming efforts to generate wealth. it needs to be spread and distributed more carefully. capital is one thing bu