mr. dellry hasn't talked about it. mr. upton. initialling a arguments other than the -- but i don't know that we need to hear more about those things. i don't want to cut you off because there is something critical that you vpt gotten to. probably more time you will get in the supreme court. >> i can also assure you, if and when you get to the supreme court, you won't see two of these things. >> thank you. >> we will hear you on rebuttal. i don't know that you're limited to 2 minutes in light all that's been said. at the same time, we've add very thorough discussion of the issue i believe. so i hope you can be relatively brief and speak only to point you haven't had an opportunity to address so far. with that, go ahead. >> of course. just a few point. that doctrine is not a game of gotcha with congressional intent. there is always an official interpret talgs of statute congress was aware of and on the basis of. that. the case here. many members of congress did not know of the program. they weren't allowed to discuss it with colle