and so multiculturallists had a radical idea. they thought that america had always been made up of multiple cultures cultures and people could have different wives living and being, and the exchange is what made america vital, and this is a threatening idea. so this where is the culture wars begin to occur. and then in the mid-'90s to now this era in which mull my culturallism becomes sort of something where the institutions, corporate institutions, government institutions, begin to say, yeah, we're all multiculturallist. this is a famous line. >> host: it's become a platitude. i wondered about that. i don't necessarily disagree. quan read that as cynical. how do you make sense of that? you could argue that now in 2014, multiculturalism looks different but is still a dominant logic, it's still a sincere attempt by men people -- not all people, corporations have their own interests regardless, but multicull curlism is still alive and vibrant in terms of the goal to democratize america. >> guest: it's emptied of its radical meaning

that's how multiculturallists think. the people in the white house are multiculturallists. the problem is, they can't say that. they can't come out to america and say, hey, you know, we owe liberia because of slavery, blah, blah, blah. so they send out guys like the hapless thomas frieden, the director of cdc. and he's on with megyn kelly trying to explain why the ban makes sense. but he can't use multicultural logic, so he has to use, like, real people logic, and it doesn't work. so he's saying to megyn kelly, and this was fun to watch. go back and watch it if you can. he's saying, well, you know, because if we don't open up travel, we can't help them, and so megyn says what about charter flights? and then he says, well, commercial -- this is what he says, almost a direct quote -- commercial airplanes can do something that contract planes, charter planes cannot. and megyn kelly says, they fly in, they fly out, what's the difference, you know? [laughter] he had no answer. so what happens is so much of the deception that comes out of the white house is because they can't giv