. >> wilt chamberlain looks like a as ya genius. >> some deal is better than no deal. and a half deal is better than no deal. and if we get americans serious about emissions, we can be an example to the world. that's the understanding i'm getting from the white house gardner. tell me where he's wrong. >> i think the gardner is informing you well, neil. and i want to point out -- >> 2030! >> yeah, but progress is progress. i mean, i'm not just saying that cynically. they are moving in the right direction. they weren't moving in the right direction. >> they were going to move in that direction anyway. this was only forecast by anybody, everybody around the world. >> there is political theater going on. >> adam, you believe this is all going to work out, right? you believe in this administration to do good for us, right? >> i believe that it's moving in the right direction. i also believe that with electricity prices in over overregulated economy are moving down, gas prices are moving down, et cetera. >> your reaction to that, ben? >> the whole thing is insanity. the idea