biography, in which he said he personally approved the waterboard. >> we have the washington post's david ignacioush us as well. david. >> i want to focus on what mike barnacle was asking. if you read the report, there is a key passage just before the first waterboarding in using, 2002, in which it is said da after the president's national security adviser, condoleeza rice, has been briefed on detail of the techniques that will be used the president will not be briefed. in other words, there is this effort to in effect protect him, give him deniability. is that the way it happens and if it's the way it happens, how can you be confident that he actually knew of and approved these things that were by your account being done in his name? >> yeah, david, i'm sorry, i wasn't there i don't know the dynamic. i don't know what private conversations they had all i can say is when i got into the program, in very late 2006, is that the president seemed to be up to speed. >> sir, i want to ask you, because obviously in so many ways, it's not black and white. what are the risks in this report that you think per