by jonathon gruber's own words.e was paid millions of dollars in taxpayer money to build obamacare and push it through. so that's not going to go well for him. it will give republicans a lot of power when it comes to january and what they will do when it comes to repealing certain parts of obamacare. bill: mary anne. what do you believe the state of obamacare after this public hearing? >> i think if this is about going after the facts, let the chips fall where they may. if this is a witch hunt then it's going to being a long, tough two years for the country. the republicans have a chance tomorrow to show whether they are going to go after the facts, whether it's on enrollment. try to go after obamacare where it will be tough where in kit' a popular program. or are they going to have a side show? bill: it will be fascinating to watch. the stupidity of the american voter. you play the clip, you ask him the question, do you think we are side. these questions will go on and on. bill: we'll be watching it tomorrow at thi

deceived voters and hillary clinton and her healthcare plan is part of a broader duplicity, and jonathon gruber makes the star witness for republicans because of his arrogance and taunting attitude and all of this cockiness makes him a very attractive witness. bill: this is brand-new video of gruber walking into that hearing room. do you expect defines or compliance. the ones who really despise him are democrats because he blew their cover. >> they don't want to sit at the same table with this guy. they hate this guy. unlike other controversial administration figures democrats will be joining the pile-on. but they will be trying to direct it. they will say gruber is just some jerk, he's just some guy. you talk about the 19 visits he had to the white house. one was when the law was about to tang. the president brought him into the oval office for the highest level hud toll try to save the d the highest level huddle to try to save the law. thank you, sir, part of gruber's advantage he has, he could score. he can tell you what it's going to cost under each provision. that's why they went to him ti

. >>> first jonathon gruber calls americans stupid. now kathleen sebelius is talking about the americans. >> a lot of people don't know what insurance is all about and if they have coverage, what it means, what a deductible is, what a copay is. how to choose the network. those are complicated terms. i think the financial literacy, particularly people who did not have insurance coverage or whose employers choose their conch and present it to them is very low. >> some say it's not our literacy.

. >>> first jonathon gruber calls americans stupid. now kathleen sebelius is talking about the americans. >> a lot of people don't know what insurance is all about and if they have coverage, what it means, what a deductible is, what a copay is. how to choose the network. those are complicated terms. i think the financial literacy, particularly people who did not have insurance coverage or whose employers choose their conch and present it to them is very low. >> some say it's not our literacy. it's the law's lunacy. who is right? welcome to forbes on fox. let's go in focus to find out with steve forbes. "the soft edge" just picked as one of the top business books of the year. are we the problem, john, or is it the law? >> sebelius is 100% incorrect. if markets are smart, then the lecter rate come prices all known information. and the lect electorate is very once the law was rolled out, voters rebuked the democrats once again in 2014. voters like the markets ultimately reflect the truth and they're well awir of the damage that the politi

she is knocking count importance of jonathon gruber.ebelius telling "usa today" that he was barely involved in designing the law. >> i think he meth met with various advisers but i did not meet with jonathon gruber. maybe he was in a large room. he could have been on a phone call. but in terms of discussing policies, that never happened. bill: lawmakers want to know about his comments on video that obamacare was passed by deception and the law only passed because of the stupidity of the american people. that will be one whale of a hearing. 9:00 a.m. eastern time next tuesday morning when gruber is forced to answer. a lot of things he has said have gone viral. >> it's not that relevant whether he and kathleen sebelius have had conversations. what's relevant is if the things he said about tricking the american people into it turn out to be representative of the underlying program itself and hoodwinking the american people was part of how it got passioned in the first place. that will be the proof in the pudding. mark your cleanse, folks.