interestingly, it does not agree with mark mobius. they expect u.s. production to grow apace in 2015 according to the iea report, an increase of -- that's going to be the output from the united states. opec, despite this, supplies will be 200,000 barrels per day. that's how much the agency is increasing its supply projections. basically, to boil it all down, you have the same problem that you have now, that has been driving down oil prices -- you have higher production, particularly from non-opec nations, at the sign -- same time you have demand that is not increasing at a huge pace. that would question whether we will see $80 to $90 per barrel, as mark mobius is predicting. >> so far, traders are reacting how? >> in terms of how we are seeing oil trade this morning, we are not seeing huge moves your opec -- huge moves. opec -- you have to put the longer-term moves in oil in perspective. whether you look at wti or brent, we've seen decreases of more than 40% in oil prices from the highs we saw back in june. as you mention, wti is trading below $60 per