. >> that's what michael boyd is talking about. if you are still with us based on what kathleen is talking about it looks like both of you have an agreement that something may have catastrophically affected or impacted this plane due to the weather or due to a combination of factors. what can we conclude from this as we go forward and i know you mentioned you were looking forward to the fact tay we may be able to get the black boxes to determine what happened quickly instead of later. michael, you said the same thing. so what do you think we can learn from this moving forward to pray pair these planes so they -- to prepare these planes so they are even safer. >> anything that happens you learn a little bit, but these are enormously safe airplanes. there was another a-320 incident a few years ago where another indicator froze up. we didn't hear much about it because it was not a passenger flight. these things can happen. making speculation now beyond this wouldn't be appropriate. but it may be something that happened to the airplane

aviation analyst michael boyd said these things are pretty big. and he's wondering how they keep falling off the radar and off the face of the earth itself. it's weird to me, mike and i'm not being facetious when i say there has to be a way to track this better. why isn't there? >> we haven't needed it. we've only lost one airplane we don't know where it is. that's malaysian 370. prior to this, we knew where airplanes were. now it's getting to the point, we have technology to do this. apps can do this. the nsa knows where i am. i have my plane with me. just a beep beep to say where it is. that's all we need. in three years, every new airplane will have something like that. they'll retro fit other airplanes. mostly it's airplanes over water. neil: when they go down in water, the beep beep is hard to pick up. these things are piling up. it's raising questions that we have a problem on our hands, especially in this neck of the woods there's an abundance of water and it keeps happening. >> malaysia 370 is the reason we should do it. that airplane disa

missing airasia flight and deadly year for global air travel we're joined by aviation chairman michael boydhard to explain what's going on here. much of the world has had no fatal accidents and yet when you look at what's happened specifically in asia we now have three different incidents all seem to be different. but is there something we need to know? >> i don't think so. still a safe way of going. one airplane shot down. we didn't do much about that. another airplane disappeared. and this one, i think this is a one off episodic event where something happened to an airplane caused by weather. and there's not much we can do about it. but it doesn't change the fact air travel is the safest way to go. >> when people talk about weather being the issue, is it weather that's the issue or pilot error that becomes the issue? >> well it depends. it's what the pilot saw or didn't see. we have had incidents in history where an airplane has been torn apart in the sky just with clear weather with turbulence. it could happen in bad weather. not very often, but pilots the radar says maybe he didn't see

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