. >> so the materials that have been presented to us by staff mr. coke particularly were those turned over to her. >> they were public documents i think they were provided directly to mr. young in particular and whether they read them or not is another issue they were voluminous and, yes access to all the material by staff. >> so show you we've made effort to address people i i know there are opportunities to meet at their requests we've been accused of proposalstizing i make the statement in the june meeting we have a duty to educate the madam clerk, any other business before this committee? members to see why we come to the recommendations i want to make sure that staff in their best efforts to the members to explain what we're doing and there are vacuums of information and actually on with an thing on the information that the issue of urgent care to see was brought up when i talked about the non-traditional issues. >> commissioner myburg. >> if you will, i've been a educator for a long time one must communicate in the person asking the lawns there's a

mr. coke. i would love to see some of the really brilliant people in silicon valley come and testify before us. i think we are going to do it. the problem has not been a failure to appreciate the importance of the issues. the problem has frankly been how do you balance a person's personal privacy, right to privacy, and the requirements of government to ensure the safety and security of all of us? mr. snowden obviously made that issue much more complicated. it requires us to make determinations that on one side, civil libertarians say the government does not have the right without reason to listen to your phone calls to damascus. then on our side, we have to monitor some of this activity. if we had not been able to monitor some of this act of e, maybe 9/11 would have been invented. that really is the crux of the debate here. i will require some very tough discussion. frankly we are all disgusted. when we hear of some innocent individual who has done nothing that they are tired of phone records a

mr. coke.uld love to see some of the really brilliant people in silicon valley come and testify before us. i think we are going to do it. the problem has not been a failure to appreciate the importance of the issues. the problem has frankly been how do you balance a person's personal privacy, right to privacy, and the requirements of government to ensure the safety and security of all of us? mr. snowden obviously made that issue much more complicated. it requires us to make determinations that on one side, civil libertarians say the government does not have the right without reason to listen to your phone calls to damascus. then on our side, we have to monitor some of this activity. if we had not been able to monitor some of this act of e, maybe 9/11 would have been invented. that really is the crux of the debate here. i will require some very tough iscussion. frankly we are all disgusted. when we hear of some innocent individual who has done nothing that they are tired of phone records and eve

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mr. griffith, for five minutes. >> patretroleum coke. you said earlier in the testimony with was worst than coal and i am guessing you mean from an environmental standa standpoint. can you explain that? >> with heavy oils you have the high carbon bottom of the barrel so when you put in this capacity that takes the molecules you get more liquid which is good but more solid. it is a solid fuel. if is very high quality, which doesn't come from refineries, it goes into the steel and glass and ceramic manufacture. high end sulfur and heavy metals coming from the oil production process, that goes into power were production and team. it has ten percent higher green glass than coal and higher sulfur than some of the worst coals. it runs counter to coal. so when coal is priced high, as it had been recently, and before exporting the coal, china wanted the petroleum coke was it was economically benefits to burn that. if you remember the news stories last year in detroit there was a pile of petroleum coke that got a lot of attention in the press. if

coke exports to china like 70 fold in the last several years. and it's a coal substitute. it's worse than coal in terms of emissions. you know, it kind of cuts both ways. >> mr. chairman, i know i'm over my time. i'd like to talk about petroleum coke when i get to my time. >> i recognize the gentleman from ohio for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. again, as we've been stated, thanks for our panelist for being here. we really appreciate your time. if i could just kind of hit a few points. as we've been sitting here, i'd check where we started and west texas was selling at $60 and now it's down to $60.51. present is at $64.20 and it dropped to $64 in the last few minutes. there is a section in the paper about what the decreasing cost of oil if west texas and what'sing that doing here in this country to evolve our producers especially out west. and of course in ohio and also in pennsylvania with our shale that we're developing in our states, especially for me in ohio, it's really interesting. also, you know, you're concerned. as the price drops, we want to make sure that we can keep that production up and also people out there producing. if i could go

mr. chairman, i know i'm over my time i like to talk about petroleum coke when i get to my time. >> recognize the gentleman from ohio for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. again, as has been said thanks to ofto her been listening here today. it's been really informational. really appreciate your time. if i could kind of a few points. as we been sitting here i checked when we started the committee that was texas selling $60.70 when i started. at this time it's down to $50.51. brent dropped to 64 in the last few minutes. i think the discussion would have been is very informational. also in "the wall street journal" this point the headline of one of the sections of the paper about with the decreasing costs of oil in west texas and what's dashed of what that is doing a special west and of course in ohio and also in pennsylvania with our show we're developing in our state especially for me in ohio, it's really interesting and it also you are concerned because as the price drops we want to make sure that we can keep that production up and also keep people out there producing. if i could go

mr. chairman. i appreciate that. petroleum coke, i love listening, because i learn all kinds of thing. tell me about petroleum coke. you said earlier it was worse than coal. i'm assuming that's from a pollution standpoint. >> patretroleum coke is the bot of the barrel. it's when you ring the liquids out of oil. with heavy oils, you have these high carbon bottom of the barrel. when you put in coking capacity, you get more liquids out, which is good, but then you get more solid. petroleum coke is a solid fuel. if it's very, very high quality, which doesn't come out of refineries, it goes into steel and glass and ceramic manufacture. if it's low quality, high in silver, high in heavy metals, that goes into power production and steam. then you are burning coal. it has 10% higher greenhouse emissions than coal and higher sulfur than some of the worst coals. it runs counter to coal. when coal is priced high as it had been recently, before we were exporting a lot of coal, china was wanting the petroleum coke because it was an economic benefit for them to burn that instead of coal. now prices

coke when i get my time. >> ohio, five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman.s has been stated for the panelists being here today. it's really informational and appreciate your time. if i could just kind of hit a few points, as we've been sitting here, i checked the start committee that west texas was selling the $60.70 when we started. and brent at 64.23 and dropped to 64 in the last few minutes. i think the discussion we're having is very informational. it was in the wall street journal this morning, the headline in one of the suggestions in the paper with the decreasing cost of oil from west texas, what that's doing in this country with the producers, especially out west. and of course in ohio and also in pennsylvania with our utica and shale that we're developing in our states especially for me in ohio. it's interesting and also, you're concerned because as the price drops, we're going to make sure that we can keep that production up and also keep people out there producing. if i could just go to your testimony, i really found it interesting because on page

mr. smika. >> you say you left about 2:00? >> i think around 11:00 instead of 10:00. >> he left the apartment before you did? >> yeah. >> where should the money and the coked? >> it should be in the apartment. >> despite what we heard from thayne smika, no money was found on sidney wells' person, nor was any money or cocaine found in the apartment. >> several days after the murder of sid wells, the police drove back to akron, colorado to search the house of thayne smika's mother. thayne smika was not at his mother's house at the time of the search. >> thayne smika's mother talked about some not very complimentary character traits. mrs. smika thought that her son may be a psychopath and may very well have been involved in the murder of sidney wells. it was pretty significant coming from a parent, and especially a mother. we had a search warrant for the house. one of the first areas that we searched was the bedroom closet. we pulled a box off the shelf and inside that box we found a 20 gauge shotgun. we knew that mr. wells had been killed with a 20 gauge shotgun. what added to that suspicion was thayne smika's sister lived in the house, telling us that they