putin, i was talking with kt mcfarland who is an expert on russia, previously the soviet union.s administration has, that somehow putin is going to put things in reverse, that he is going to in some way kowtow or recede from the battlefield when it looks like he's being as aggressive as one can possibly imagine -- >> i give you a theory there? lou: sure. >> what if his -- lou: so long as it's solidly constructed on empirical evidence guarantee the outcome. >> all right. i can't guarantee the outcome, but i do think president putin is super focused on his own net worth more than all these other things. if you talk to guys inside the cia, outside the cia, his focus is about his net worth -- lou: wait a minute these are the same people who forecast the takeover of crimea in the fait accompli that we've accepted and now -- >> not saying lou i'm not saying they get everything right -- [laughter] and i love that witty smile of yours, but you've got to look at putin for what he is. he's an oligarchic figure -- lou: don't you love that? in russia they're oligarchs, over here they're bil

so we will begin with kt mcfarland. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> first let me ask you how many of you watch docs news? okay. forget all the stuff you said. i'm the brunette on fox news. [laughter] okay, "suicide of the west: an essay on the meaning and destiny of liberalism"." the majority of americans think including the president of the united states believes that our best days are over. this attitude is contagious. i think the president feels very strongly that leading from behind means we will be left behind and that's okay because the world has not been a better place with american leadership. he looks at the last 10 or 15 years, certainly the last republican administration war in iraq and afghanistan and the president feels as to his like-minded contemporaries that the world is a better place if america takes a step down. why? because then the global community is somewhat going to run things. i don't think he's thought through what tends to happen when a great power steps back from a the world stage. instead of the global commun

fox news national security expert kt mcfarland joins me on the story. k.t, you say that is the new normal? >> the old normal old al qaeda big planned attacks, usama bin laden, a lot of money moving around internationally a lot of moving parts. that is last century. this century is what we're going to see increased two kinds lone wolf terrorists who go on internet and get radicalized and grab a hatchet or knife to do random violence. more worrisome thing is this these are trained terrorists. where did they get their training? the word these are european citizens who go to syria, iraq, learn how to fight and become experienced jihadist terrorist fighters and return to their home country. gerri: this isn't necessarily somebody who is mall adjusted problem with mom, trying to copy it on internet these are people who knew how to use a gun. this was clear today that was the case. this seems very professional. >> this is the not the first time these people killed. the worry is hundreds potentially thousands of western passport holders are learning how to do this

kt mcfarland. it won't be business as usual in france right now. >> you are right. france has a problem. france has a big problem. europe has a big problem. this is the new face of terrorism. this is not just people who are in pakistan organ stan planning to take town people or buildings in the west. these ra people who are citizens of these countries who somehow find their way to the gat el ground. they train and become very experienced fighters they know about warfare and car bombs and recruiting and they go back to their home land. if you look at the perspective of this whole take the big picture of this. these guys were successful. they launched a successful attack. they had the world attention for several days. now they will probably diaz martyrs. this -- die as martyrs. these guys are role models for the next group who wants to do this. >> interesting when you say that kt and you look at the resources they are able to draw from if france right now. we want to add we are going to report in the

kt mcfarland is with us now. why was no senior american official at that linking of arms in paris?> they refuse to call it what it is. even now they are refusing to stand up and say radical jihad. radical islam. they did not want to be there with all of the western leaders in support of western values. >> do you think that they did not show up because they did not like the message? he said it is on you. radical islam is because of what you have been preaching. your threat is to our western values. >> he is taking it in enormous political risk. people will say, where were you, mr. president? >> it is not just that. the fbi. the nypd. they have all come out and said expect it. we cannot guarantee the security of the president or we do not want to distract from the message. stuart: they will have a conference and all of next month. they will invite people to talk about how to combat violent terrorism. the kind of people that will come to this anti-terror conference. america is treating this as a crime. not as an act of war. >> anything president bush said they do not see that it is an

kt mcfarland is here. i am disgusted at it. know you are too. >> there are american heroes that are willing to plead and die for your right to have more big macs. i am sorry. that was really petty. here is a guy who is really talking about american heroes. somebody has to pay the price. it is not just somebody who is a sniper. somebody whose family goes to war and has two live with the rest of it. stuart: tell me about the latest with terrorism and hostages. we got back to america. they have been there for years i think because of the death of their daughter. that looks like a direct swap of hostages. you can swap them for prisoners. you want to get back into the fight. when i was in the reagan administration he was taken hostage and tortured did ultimately, killed by hezbollah. the terrible thing in any president do you try to get that person out knowing that if you do you are signing the death warrant for future american hostages. no. we do not negotiate with hostages. there is a reason for that policy. >> the islamic terrori

kt mcfarland is here. not have adequate healthcare or medical care. they do have somebody come out that does this. stuart: i just want to tell everyone exactly what michael moore had to tweak. i will put it up: the screen. what is he trying to do here? >> is he trying to write himself into the biggest story biggest movie of the current time? i remember what happened after vietnam. we treated them terribly. it is different this time. i really think good for america. now, we have a very different attitude by the american people. i think she just does not like it. stuart: i would like to hear from the democrats. what do they think about michael moore saying this thing? will the commander in chief standouts and say something? how will they not, but i think they should. >> prof cleaned out. that is what we ought to celebrate. stuart: thank you very much for coming on the show today. >> we have family members who have sought and died. stuart: yes, we do. thank you very much, kt mcfarland. we are down 114 on oil.

fox news analyst kt mcfarland. radical islamist.ng to have to put up with a president who plays these silly -- >> yeah. one he thinks he's already solved that problem. he got bin laden. that's a george bush problem. lou: thank god there was only one of them. >> a george bush problem. not mine. if he puts islamic or terrorist or radical -- lou: took islamic out of islamic state. >> yeah. lou: their words, not mine. >> they call it an islamic state. the prime epicenter -- lou: it looks like egypt now has a convincing real leader. >> yes, i agree. lou: that his people can depend upon as well as the allies of egypt. >> yeah, i met with him. he was general. i was very impressed. he gets it. knows it's an economic crisis. knows you have to have political stability to fix the economy. great personal courage. to go to the equivalent of the vatican the muslim world vatican, to say to the leaders, you have to fix it. it's you who have gotten us where we are. lou: and as the saying goes, what we've heard is crickets. >> or from the white house

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joining us fox news national security analyst, kt mcfarland.gin, is this a swap or is it not? and if it is, why does this administration continue to deny what everyone knows that they're swapping terrorists for prisoners? >> (?) well look, it looks like it's a trade. right? the administration says it has nothing to do -- we released this guy from prison on good behavior. the qataris released those guys. this summer, they released five gitmo terrorists in exchange for a prisoner swap for an american sergeant bowe bergdahl. they don't have a lot of credibility. they've done this before. it's hard to believe that this is a coincidence. that it's happened this way. the real reason this is a big problem is that, once you do it, the only thing you're guaranteeing by negotiating with terrorists or swapping with terrorists or paying ransom with hostages, the only thing you guarantee is that you'll have more hostages. it's no surprise that people come back to them with a new deal. lou: i always think not negotiating with terrorists. it's so much simpler

now kt mcfarland who says quit tempting fate. guilt mow doors doors and keep -- gitmo doors and keep them locked. >> what is happening, of course these guys are going to go back. we have seen in the past when they open the doors, the gitmo guys have a recidivism rate of 20%. why all of a sudden has the administration started redefining who is a terrorist? it's this twisted press conference they have had in the last week where they said, well, taliban, no, they're not really terrorist, just armed insurgent why? because they know that the people they're releasing from guantanamo bay are going back into the fight, they're going to bo back into join the taliban and the taliban are ultimately going to go back into afghanistan. >> indeed, something that the taliban just pulled off in afghanistan illustrates that point. my next guest to and who is left at gitmo. we have 50 to 80 detainees who have either direct yemeni connections or from yemen, and now as you know, yemen is to put it mildly in great unrest. what do we do with them? if t

that a lot to talk about with kt mcfarland fox news national security analyst and former assistant secretary. when this first happened, the almari transfer, when he was released you said on this show there is more to this story than we're hearing right now. >> the problem with all this is, i've seen it happen i have seen a president struggle how do you get your american citizens back, they have a devil's choice to make. they try to get them back. they swap terrorists going back into the fight or pay a ransom to be used by terrorists to continue the fight. it is a dreadful dilemma ever president is put into. reality if you try to save one life this way by paying ransom or trading hostages you are signing death warrants down the road because all it does is encourage terrorists to take more hostages because they know that that's a currency they can get a lot for in a trade. martha: i thought this comment with regard to the japanese hostage being held by isis and what the white house thinks about this situation and what they recommend the comment made by denis mcdonough to chris wallace this wee