what we've done with the prevent program is had the review by lord carlisle in 2011, and he found that the existing program, and i quote, he said that there have been cases with groups now supporting the ideology has received funding. we're expanding the program and as he says we need to make sure that everyone who benefits from anti-radicalization gets it. one final point. this is in the spirit of friends across the house. one or two people have referred to our current situation as a sort of a zombie parliament. this counterterrorism bill is absolutely vital in defeating terrorism, and is discussed in the house of parliament right now. >> mr. speaker, mr. speaker, i'm glad we can work across parties on this issue. and we will endeavor to continue to do so. let me turn to where there is less agreement. in may 2010, speaking about the tv debate a party leader -- a party leader -- [ shouting ] -- a party leader says, and i quote, it would have been feeble to find some excuse to back out. so i thought we've got to do it. can you remind us, who said that? >> i am all for these debates taki