sons and her daughter are alleged to have tried to leave this country to go fight with isis in syria or iraqthe eldest son got caught and none of them made it there. >>> whether or not it is working, the fight against isis is in part a military fight being waged in iraq and syria. france voted to reup it's own authorization from the french component of the military fight against isis in the middle east. for our part, the united states government has never bothered to even debate this issue, let alone vote on it. president obama met with top democrats and top republicans from both houses of congress today. the white house gave a written readout, they call it a readout to the press afterwards describing what happened in that meeting. one of the things the leadership was talking about with president obama was the prospect of a debate, and maybe a vote about whether to authorize the u.s. military fight in iraq and syria, but apparently there is no rush and no immediate expectation of any action. let alone a debate. for all of the chest pounding and concern and expressions out outrage and sympath

isis, not sure if there was direction by isis or him just trying to bolster his own credentials. >> there's no evidence coulibaly traveled to syria and iraq and had no formal connection with the group or connection. he was fond of it and wanted to claim his operation for it but not linked to it in any greater way. >> belgium has also been very tough or trying to be the toughest against returning nationals who have fought overseas and i'm wondering if that has anything to do with kind of sharpening the divide there. >> well, they've got to get tough because there's a big problem. 150 belgium nationals in iraq. and syria right now. almost all of them to be with isis and 30 of them killed there and 70 back in belgium. that is still a lot of them to monitor. i'm half belgian. i go to belgium. i talk to officials there. they're very stressed out there. they don't feel they have enough resources to combat this threat. >> it's certainly in the united states, a concern but belgium is front and center now. colonel thank you for being with was, and paul cruikshank, thank you. "charlie hebdo." 3 million copies quickly sold out and first issue since

the kids have planned to travel first to turkey and then syria or iraq to join isis.s. their parents are indian immigrants. after her son's plea hearing, sa sareen khan accused isis of brainwashing children. >> we condemn this violence in the strongest possible terms. we condemn the brutal tactics of isis and groups like it and we condemn the brainwashing and the grooming of children through social media and internet. and we have a message for isis and fellow social media recruiters. leave our children alone. >> i spoke to sareen khan and thomas dur ken, actually the attorney for the son who joined us as well. >> you've spoken forcefully against isis against muslim extremists who try to through the internet. do you feel without that influence, your son would not be in the trouble he is in now? >> yes, i fully think that would not have happened if it wasn't for social media. if it wasn't for the internet he would never be in the situation he is in today. >> what is your message to other parents out there? >> to be i don't know maybe we protected our children, frytrying

they are not people that just went to syria or iraq and spent a couple of months there.they've been trained and they look like they've been trained by military or former military personnel. >> reporter: security was stepped up throughout paris and around the u.s. immediately after the attack. >> we raised the security highest level. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence has swung into action. >> intelligence analysts in the united states starting when this kicked off this morning, have been working closely with their french counterparts to provide intelligence information, any indication that this is part of a broader threat. >> reporter: at the white house, president obama condemned the attack as a cowardly evil. >> they are attacking freedom of speech and freedom of the >> reporter: thursday will be a national day of mourning for france. the country's president said the flags will fly at half mass for three days here. late tonight thousands gathered in paris. holding signs up saying, not afraid, and this was everywhere it seemed i am charlie. the whole nation united in sorrow

it says it's likely the mediator would be found in syria or iraq. >> if japanese reach a direct contact with them or through a mediator i think the two japanese hostages will not be killed. >> he suggested the turkish government might be able to help. he says they have been been to secure the release of 49 people, including diplomats, through negotiations with the militant group. >> it is complicated matter but i do believe they can, if they seek, they can reach to correct and direct contact. but the problem, as you know is the short time. >>> nhk has been in communication with an islamic state representative concerning the two japanese hostages. messages were exchanged and a conversation took place by internet phone earlier on friday morning japan time. the representative said a statement would soon be released. during the conversation, the spokesperson criticized japan. he said japanese people who fight the militant group are infidels. nhk asked about negotiations with government officials for the release of the two japanese captives. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the representativ

. >> officials say 1400 french citizens have joined extremist groups to fight in syria or iraq or say they are planning to do so. >> let's look at some other news stories for you on "france 24" this hour. more trouble at the top floor a german group -- at the top for a german group, whose founder resigned over photos of him posing as adolf hitler and derogatory comments about immigrants. the woman who replaced him has also stepped down, citing threats. eu ministers are meeting to discuss further sanctions on russia after a new rise in fighting in ukraine. the meeting was called after pro-russian rebels attacked the port of mariupol over the weekend. some encouraging news on ebola. the number of new confirmed cases this week is at 99, the first time the weekly total has fallen below 100 since june of last year. the world health organization now says the epidemic has moved to its second phase the focus shifting from slowing transmission to ending the epidemic. all right. the auction house souththeby's, says it is putting together its biggest sale of contemporary art ever. it is valued a

isis although there is no evidence that he and his girlfriend hayat boumediene ever fought in syria or iraq. the two weren't always extremists. that is boumeddiene in a bikini, they think coulibaly, a convicted armed robber was radicalized in jail. he posed in video and photos shown by lemoned newspaper with various guns. last night, french media say they found his hideout, a rented apartment in the suburbs, inside there were several automatic weapons, explosives, money and an isis flag. the feel good factor of today's huge and peaceful march has eased tensions in france somewhat, but the country is now facing hard questions about homegrown violent extremism and how the french state proposes to keep its citizens safe. one big challenged, jeff, is the sheer number of potentially radicalized individuals that the french security services have to watch. one official told me yesterday there are now more than 1,000.in >> glor: liz palmer, thank you very much. >> a german newspaper that reprinted the charlie hebdo cartoons has been attacked by arsonists, mark phillips joins us now from dresden, ge

have, in fact, traveled overseas be it to the arabian peninsula, to afghanistan or pakistan or to syria or iraq. this is a phenomenon now. it's something that the police and intelligence agencies are aware about. in fact politicians including president hollande have acknowledged that these people did pose a threat. it's been said that france cannot afford to be complacent assuming that the people go overseas and perpetuate the attacks and it could come on france's doorstep. that happened in the last three days. inevitably there will be people asking why wasn't more done to prevent it and what can be done in the future? to be fair to the security forces and to the intelligence agencies, there have been reports of a number of raids. a few weeks ago in al jazeera we reported raids against what police described as a jihadist cells they claim they have broken up to the north of paris. the fact of the matter is if you look at potentially hundreds of young people overseas and coming back it's not possible for there to be an intelligence officers following every single one of of them. clearly, there's

going to do a send a message to all those young anonymous terrorists who go fight that war in syria or iraq, if you really want to make an impact, why blow yourself up in a suicide bombing? the way to do it is in the west. your question is exactly right. >> eleanor. >> well, the other side of that is that tens of thousands of people took to the streets of paris and said jui suis charley, jui suis ahmed because one of the people they killed was a muslim. i think we are looking at a noxious stew, particularly in europe where this anti-immigrant sense is really strong plus anti-semitism is on the rise. you have the national front party which in the past has been one step removed from a white french supreme sift group is now moving into the mainstream and i think marie lepen is trying to bring that party into the mainstream and if the election were held today, that party would win. this is transforming politics in europe. the implication here, we've been waiting more than a dozen years for al-qaeda style mass events to take place. i think this shows how easy it is to stage much smaller events a

discussed how to stop would be jihadists in the west from becoming indoctrinated and traveling to syria or iraq or else carry out terror attacks at home. here is britain's foreign secretary speaking out. >> the recent terrible events in paris have reminded us that the battle against iso--- isil is not confined within the borders of iraq and syria and that this poisonous ideology threatens our own systems and the systems of our allies. >> japan is under pressure to secure two of its citizens being held hostage by the group. militants released a video on tuesday demanding $200 million within 72 hours to save the lives of the freelance journalist and security worker. japan's prime minister has reiterated that the ransom will not be paid. there has been another shock for france, meanwhile, following the attacks by homegrown terrorists earlier this month. authorities say at least six former french soldiers have joined jihadist fighting in syria and iraq. >> the first marine infantry parachute regiment, one of the most elite of the french army. this is where an unnamed man from northern paris trained

not only believing the threat is in yemen or syria or iraq or other parts in the region, it's right here. one does not have to travel to become radicalized. they can do it on the internet. at home. neil: as bad guys want to blow us away the president is focused more it seems on giveaways. president obama signing a memorandum for mandatory sick-leave today. if all these government goodies are meant to be a distraction or are they warranted? tracy, what do you think? >> i think foreign policy has been his weakest link and it still is. and they said ignore it it will go away. i think that is policy. i don't think he knows how to handle it. he's in over his head in all this. we're behind the eight ball. ignorance is just making it worse. neil: i think that -- these terror threats notwithstanding he says on issues like this, they test poll well. mandatory days off. mandatory coverage. sick days. it does resonate. i wonder whether he's getting the base together. >> this is political misdirection at the worst possible timing. the new york post said it great today. they had a picture of obama wa

if they're affiliated with isis did they fight in syria or iraq?ials and analysts tell us that that is the worst news they can get. it means they're french nationals who may have returned to france with french passports and it's the realization of every terrorism analyst's fear that a jihadist can return to their homeland with a passport. >> if you have a french passport you can travel almost anywhere in europe without a visa or fly to the united states. you don't even need a visa to fly to the united states if you're a french citizen with a french passport. let's bring in a key member of the house homeland committee and republican congressman peter king joining us from capitol hill. congressman, what are you hearing about these individuals? they've now been identified and the u.s. government knows the name of these three terrorists. what are you hearing about any formal alliance or connection they may have had with the specific terror group? >> wolf all of that is still being looked at and my understanding from talking to people in the community a

the fbi caught 12 americans in the past year trying to go to syria or iraq to join isis. so, tonight, there's a lot of worry about everything right here at home and the u.s. government has just sent out a warning for americans traveling abroad to be on alert worldwide. david. >> that warning late today. thank you. >>> one more image on this tonight. that #jesuischarlie tweeted more than 5 million time. around the world. you can see that lit up on the screen. we'll have much later in our broadcast, on "nightline" and right here throughout the weekend. >>> but we move on and to the deep freeze across the nation as we head into this weekend creating chaos on the highway. this image from kalamazoo, michigan, an explosion in the distance there, those are fireworks unleashed when two semi-trucks collided. setting off a deadly 170-car pile-up. now, another punch of cold air on the way. abc's senior meteorologist rob marciano reporting in tonight. >> reporter: tonight -- deadly driving. a 170-vehicle pile-up in michigan on major interstate 94 mangled cars and tractor-trailers bur

look, whether it's syria or iraq, there are people who we don't like because we dislike the other sidesis and al qaeda even more. >> what about the saudis? >> the saudis are in trouble. >> the president visited saudi arabia, by the way. >> the saudis are in deep trouble. to the north you have the isis and iraq and you have the houthi rebels who don't like them in the south. and the east-northeast saudi arabia it's all shi'ia and the shi'ia are dominant in bahrain. >> and have a declining commodity because their oil isn't as valued. >> let's let mort get in. >> no, listen, i think we are looking at a disintegration of that part of the world, including a lot of our key allies. saudi arabia, like it or not is a key ally for the united states and we really must find some way -- look what happened when we had this tries in oil. >> can that kingdom survive? >> oh, yes, it can. >> meaning this whole turmoil and chaos in revolution? >> they're worried about it. and the way they survive is they export all the radicalism and need to be called on that. because they are what is behind a lot of the

so they have an launch another attack and go out in a blaze of glory or go to syria or iraq and maybeet smuggled through there. but they're not going to be able to use any documents. they'd have to get fake other documents to do it. >> we know that other people have been detained. what can you tell as far as the third suspect who turned himself in? what can investigators get from him? >> you know, he could turn out to be the usual -- i was just a get away driver and didn't know they were going to slaughter everybody kind of story from him. not saying that's not true that but that's often what we get with criminal suspects on the robbery murders. they told me to try the car, wait out front, i didn't know they'd kill everybody. so he turned himself and he'll get extensive questioning and some of that may not be as valuable if they have absconded now and are trying to race somewhere to get away. their base of operations they're from france, frances. they were born there, so they have all the contacts there in the paris metropolitan area. so they could loop back and go in there to get som

. >> look the situation in yemen and the situation in afghanistan or syria or iraq or any of the other conflict zones in the a middle east that we've been looking at are very different. some of dynamics are the same. to the extent that the central government and the yemeni security services can't enforce their where writ outside of the capital, it's been that way for several years. the difficulty is not that yemen books failed state. the difficulty is that people take advantage ever the short term chaos between the lack of political equilibrium they have now and whatever the preliminary equilibrium will be. it is an opportunity ink situation. >> the yes yes yemenis are not able, what are we going to do? >> the number one thing helping president hadi and his government helping people back to the negotiation tables and the muscle off the street. it is pretty clear the tribal faction will use their muscle to force people to thearms couldn't be won around the negotiating table, to the extent that the united states and our allies in the gulf can get people back to the negotiating table that

syria. we have confirmation over the past year at least three individuals from verviers made their way to fight for isis in iraq or syria. it's not clear where. one of them on the social media account bragged that he shot somebody in the vicinity of aleppo. this is not anything new to that town. there's an islamist scene in that town. over the past year in tall of last year a trial began in belgium against a group that was accused of funneling fighters to syria and iraq to fight for groups like isis. one of the things that was interesting about that trial was there were over 40 people supposed to stand trial. only eight showed up because the others were fighting in syria or at least in syria. this is something the investigations that have been going on in belgium for a while. it was interesting what chris and paul was saying as well. it seems possibly because of events in paris that maybe the belgium anti-terror officials believe now is the time to conduct these operations. >> we will hear from belgium officials any inmany. we're a waiting a news conference from brussels from the federal a prosecutor to explain wh

if you can't come to syria or iraq do these things at home. we see it around the world australia, boston. paris. the attempt top equivocate or broaden these words is baffling quite frankly. >> when you limit your ability to gather intelligence you open yourself up to an attack. philadelphia when you reduce your military sphoadged historic lows and create safe havens by withdrawing against them. isis is just one of the threats we face. they are in a competition with -- with al qaeda. they are richer than they have ever bern. they have foreign fighters with american and european passports. this should be a wakeup call to the president and the congress. it's just a matter of time that we are going to get here at home if somebody doesn't adjust soon. martha: thank you very much. it's a very frightening prospect. senator linlds i graham, thank you. bill: 20 minutes before the hour. some disney visitors went for disney fun but came home with a contagious disease. martha: they shouted allahu akbar and murdered 12 people. howard dean says don't call th

not he actually made to it syria or iraq whether or not he was given instructions by this group, we really don't know. and there are still some suggestions that these folks were identifying themselves at least to the eyewitnesses as being affiliated with al qaeda's branch in yemen. there is no love lost between isis and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they hate each other in a public way. they issue nasty statements about each other. it is not possible that they were both. maybe they were something else. maybe they were home growns. maybe they were doing this out of inspiration from seeing aqap in yemen, having seen isis and taking mat enters into their own hands. >> we don't know yet. >> there are ties between these folks and the recruitment networks that have led people in syria and iraq to join these folks. >> jim, let's talk about that suspect evan was just talking about. he reportedly helped funnel fighters to iraq's insurgency. and you was sentenced to 18 months in prison. how closely was he being monitored? >> it is difficult to say because it is conducted by fra

what about the guy who came in last month from syria or iraq or yemen.f the fascinating aspects of this. what were these operatives waiting for. why didn't they operate. i suspect one of the things the investigation will show is that investigators said we can't follow these guys around forever, if we're not certain they are up to something. >> paul cruickshank, the estimated number of foreign fighters who have returned from iraq and syria to france is roughly 500. how can they even prioritize targets in a pool that big? >> it's about 200 to france more than 500 for the whole of the european union. you're right, it's very very difficult to prioritize to figure out who you're going to watch and it's really as phil was saying more of an art than a science. often the information is very fragmentary indeed. in belgium we have just seen a very significant counterterrorism operation, the thwarting of what belgians now believe was a major ambitious terrorist attack possibly against a sensitive target in belgium. it was a big counterterrorism success from the bel

syria. french police estimate that around 300 french nationals are in either sirria or iraq -- syria or iraq at the moment fighting for isis so this is a big problem in france, in germany. and of course the suspects could be anywhere at the moment. they were heading north of here at speed along motorways. they could be in belgium by now. it's not just a french issue. this is a northern european manhunt. >> bill neely, thank you for staying late and joining us on this incredible day. thank you very much. >>> joining me now from washington is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, what are we learning in washington from the fbi and from the defense intelligence sources who would be looking at this? >> reporter: well, a couple of things. one, as soon as the french authorities got the names, the u.s. was going back and is looking to see if there was a possible connection between this attack and people in the u.s. and they say tonight they haven't found any. that they have been looking at their databases and don't see at this point any contact between the suspect in france and people

if you go over there to fight in a war like iraq or syria for the islamic states you have a chance of surviving. you're a soldier. it's risky, but you'll probably make it home alive. if you come back to europe after some training there to do an attack in europe, you will probably be killed. right? it's not -- they're all -- in fact, the suicidal attacks. the european police are senator enough, they're going to have a shootout and you're going to get killed. is it something where they become more radicalized once they go over to iraq or syria and come back even more radicalized than when they went over? >> reporter: it's not so much the chances of dying. in both cases, you're probably going to die. it is, what do they think they can achieve with the death? if you're a radical and living in madrid or some small city in france and you dream of joining the caliphate and fighting to defend your prophet and listen to all of the propaganda that's online, you can either pack up a bag, come generally here to istanbul, make your way to the border, cross into syria and die, what will very likely

told me yesterday when i was in paris that actually some 30% of those they suspect have gone to syria or iraq or wherever are actually women. so that is very important when we see this woman who is on the lam there in paris. we have had very serious warnings from the british domestic intelligence m.i. 5. ahead of lot of leaders heading into paris on sunday for a mini summit also attorney general eric holder going. they are very very concerned here that there will be an attack of mass casualty. that's the words of the british mi-5 chief. that's a stark warning. he barely peaks, the first time in two years she's spoken and known of 20 plots over the last 14 months. they're very concerned about airlines, about transportation iconic landmarks and others targeted sometime now or in the future. >> how concerned are you from a security standpoint that other potential jihadists who may already be here and france has a huge number of suspects will see what has taken place over last two or three days and think, this was a success, from the terrorist's standpoint and it's something that could be relativ

do you know whether, in fact they both or one of them was in syria or iraq or yemen or some place else? >> you know i don't think we know definitively yet whether either of the brothers traveled to syria or yemen. that's obviously something that we're desperately eager to find out. i'm confident we will get to the bottom of that in fairly short order. obviously if that's the case, it would be some of our worst fears materialized about foreign fighters coming home. we saw that in the attack in belgium belgium. that's something of keen interest to all of us particularly when you consider that they do appear to have some kind of military training. and the question is where did they get that? and if, indeed they were able to train themselves purely domestically within france that would be a different kind of a concern. >> do you know if this terror attack against this policewoman in southern suburb of paris today is linked to what happened yesterday? >> you know i don't know definitively whether there's a link or not and, of course even if none of the same players were involved in that att

becoming outliers of massachusetts or paris, what ended up happening they began seeking defensible jihad, the term experts are use, meaning they could wage war in iraq or syriareacher preaching lone wolf. and in the case of the others they fell under the influence of a paris radicalized preacher who said go fight jihad in iraq. that's what they were trying to do. also so interesting, although they were trying to maintain an operational secrecy, they were well on the path to radicalization and ultimately did troovl the countries in which their beliefs became almost more deeply ingrained. they were able to get from syria, we're now learning they returned last summer whereas tamerlan tsarnaev was able to get to dagestan. this idea they would become empowered through violence in the countries that they were now rejecting is very clear. >> we'll look for your reporting at 7:00. deborah feyerick thank you very much. special coverage continues after this. >>> i didn't actually put it together particularly for publication. i saw the breaking news as i was about to go to bed here in australia and stayed up to watch the events unfolding on television. ♪ >> translator:

it is estimated that france has some 1,000 people who either went to fight in syria and iraq or attemptedd just by comparison in the u.s. the number much closer to 100, so an order of magnitude larger the problem here. >> yeah yeah. and on top, if i may complete this number it's growing nowadays. but day by day roughly. if you took it, like one week ago, one week ago the french government was talking about 400 and that was grossly underestimated. even 1,000 is still grossly underestimated. some research has been conducted by a man in the south of france and this man, which is a researcher on the problem, has concluded that we were closer to 2,000. >> incredible. >> and actually those people coming back to france are posing a huge threat. as i said battle hardened and motivated and ready to act. >> we saw the training on the way the attacks on the charlie hedbo offices were carried out. you saw the videos calmly handling their weapons. one question for you, if these calls have gone out to other terror cells, the french police were clearly aware of this terror cell before because they had f

we have enough of our own homegrown mass shootings and it's hard for jihadists who have been in syria or iraqerever to get into the united states. it's not impossible, but it's hard and so i still think that americans. we have enough problem as it is and i don't think people should view this as an order of magnitude more severe than what the gun violence we have in the united states. it's probably less. >> i would venture to say americans are more on edge now than they were last week that if yoi have a former bush administration official who worked in security and intelligence say that this is a new genre of a terror attack, people are going to start wondering, well what the heck does that mean for us? is this what we'll start seeing? are these networks happening? let's go back to the fact that there was a robbery outside of france and if it was done by the suspects, doesn't that lend us some type of indication that if they're stealing gas and food that they might not be as organized and supported as we might think? that is somewhat of a move of desperation. health heather, your thoughts? >>

it is a real concern because all of those guys fighting in syria and fighting in iraq or in mali arek to europe. it is very easy because we have borders. we just need to have a car to enter europe. it is quite difficult to control all of that flow actually. it is a major concern. we know in france we have over 1,000 jihadists to have known to have been there. when they are back they want to fight against our system and our democracy and armed forces and our economy. >> in belgium, they were able to stop them and able to follow a few of these men when they came back from syria. they launched that raid last night. killed two suspects and detained others. how can you keep that pressure up? they caught one cell right there. do you have the capability to catch more? >> yes. we have the capability to catch more. i would say it is not confidentially in france. our police forces stop on a regular basis such attacks in france. people don't know about that but we have a very good intelligence and s.w.a.t. team works very well every day to stop those guys. >> we also learned overnight that 12 s

isis has embraced these attacks in paris and she could end up in either syria or iraq.ll l protect her and there's virtually no way that the french can get ahold of her now if f she's, indeed, crossed the boarder from turkey into syria. >> colonel reese, is that what you expect? >> brianna, yes, i agree with bob. i mean, that's a possibility but you also have the khorasan group which is you know dependent on where they think the turks saw her on the last trip that she could cross into steer ya andyria and that's where the khorasan group is in the northwest corner. so any of the radical islamic groups would welcome her with open arms. >> obviously she appears to have been going for safe haven there and that makes sense. samuel we've been talking about some of these sleeper cells that have been activated. cells -- what kind of cells is the question. are we talking about sleeper cells from al qaeda or these sleeper cells from isis in france or both do you think? >> well actually, the pattern has been as following. it's replicated what happened in middle east throughout the

it may be cases where people go to syria or iraq or elsewhere, they think they want to join the jihadack and all of a sudden in paris it doesn't look like such a good idea. and these brothers may have decided to do other things when they got back to france and something set them off which doesn't have to be an aqap instruction. they don't have to be sort of the spy novel kind of sleeper cell. it may be that things in their lives weren't going well and they decide okay this is the time to follow through. >> we should mention the al qaeda magazine "inspire" did list they had a wanted list target list and charb was one of the people on that list. what is the latest intelligence on whether or not the kouachi brothers or coulibaly or boumeddiene, the woman who is still wanted, contacted anyone in the united states? >> well we don't have evidence yet, i think, that there's a connection between these attackers in france and some ongoing cell or plot in the united states. obviously that's our highest priority finding out do they have confederates here and helping the french identify who else

the other one isis or islamic state in syria and iraq. depending what people identify with they're going to syria or iraq to fight isis -- fight with isis or trying to get in a aqap they used to have the best brand on the street in terms of attracting people. in recent years we have seen that in favor of isis. it may be swinging back. these go groups are competitors but share very similar world views and very similar objectives. individual that want to fight will identify with either one of them depending on the circumstance. jenna: interesting to note the success from coming inside of yemen with all the obstacles and challenge the country faces. it bear as browder conversation, christopher. we hope to have you back to talk about that. good to have you back. >> happy to help. jon: police are not only ones looking to use drones to carry out operations. take a look at this one. it was found with a special package inside from the cartels apparently. could there be an aerial element in the war on drugs these days? >>> plus a man tried for a th

it's too dangerous because we have a lot of these young people who have become jihadists going to syria or iraq, who are being manipulated by this muslim fundamentalists at work or radical imams in france. so, obviously, the two men that the french police are tracking down these two algerian brothers belong to the no-go zone. in the northern part of paris, one of them, one has been tracked down six to five seven years ago. >> right. >> having links with al qaeda in iraq. and definitely has been in jail, has been freed, then he's back again. so i think there's a lot of -- concerning security with the previous government and the new government. >> i was just going to ask you about that. because he was in prison. apparently he spent half of his time. he was supposed to spend three years. he spent a year and a half. he was there on terror charges and then he was released again. so what does that say about france and paris and how you look at terrorism in your nation? >> well it says as i said, what i said gretchen, it says that for years, and years our various government left wing and right wing ha

if you're using this stuff in syria or iraq you can pretty much hit it 100% if you go out with an experiencedlosives network. this is what has the belgium police nervous and everybody else in europe. >> i would imagine everyone else in europe and the u.s. we know people have been going over there to fight. they get this kind of experience. in the u.s. there's a response as well. >> there's many things going on in the u.s. as there should be. we are a country that is federalism. lots of communication from the fbi and the department of homeland security to the building blocks of what protects be homeland local and state public agencies. >> they're trying to ratchet up their preparation. >> keep them aware. >> the point we just heard, you, european passport you go fight in syria and come home to europe. there's no record your passport you were in syria. you can just fly to new york. things are going to happen or can happen. part of this is engaging the american public for watching out for what's around you. >> bob, if there are other members of these cells out there, we do understand looking at

against the german government in berlin says they will continue to welcome those in need from syria or iraq so long as that need continues. >> neave barker on a windy night in dresden, thank you for the report. >>> two in the united -- two police officers will face can charges in the united states for the death of a homeless man. heidi zhou-castro how could this play differently than the recent investigations into police around the country? >> david there is one big difference here. that is, no grand jury is involved. now due to a twist in new mexico's law a d.a. can seek charges going through a judge rather than a grand jury. it is notable that probable cause against these two officers have not been established in this case, there is no warrant out for their arrest. and whether this case progresses is dependent on the judge who will hold a probable cause hearing later on. this was captured on police helmet camera and we warn you it is graphic. james boyd who is 36 years old homeless white mentally ill and he is getting in a four hour long verbal standoff with police officers who are trying

permanent war, with was the worry that western nationals, especially young people would travel to syria or iraq learn these types of techniques, get trained and because they have western passports be a to our cities and perpetrate these kinds of attacks. we should not blur the truth that islam does motivate some terrorists to take some action. how we deal with the proliferation of social media and viewing with radicalization of youth is a gigantic problem. satire is prornt but it's not the only answer. >> the two publications that have had direct results of their work and murder were both liberal newspapers, magazines in france and in denmark. >> right. >> it's been the left that stand up and say something. the conservatives tuck their tail and run. have you noticed the poll in frns that young people were much more predisposed toward radical islam than older people? i think it's sort of like in the united states where younger people today, it's not at all unusual for people to see multicultural dpath dating multicultural multicultural dating. the mingling that's going on here, younger people wi

idea of immigration with regard to these jihadists who have returned home after fighting afar in iraq or syrianing there. you know, it was interesting, the u.k. home secretary this week said nearly 600 of these people from london, england have traveled to syria and iraq to fight. around half of them have returned home, and there are thousands across europe now that are doing the same thing. you know, with regard to how we're going to deal with them with regard with how they're going to deal with them in the u.k., don't we all kind of have to get on the same page? do you expect the leaders will talk about that today? >> i think so. i don't think they may talk about it publicly, but there is a lot of concern about this training ground in syria. syria is seen as this place where all these terrorists, radical islamic terror itselfs are going. they're getting training and then going back to their home countries. whether there are cells inside the u.s., you heard the democratic senator dianne feinstein, now the vice chair of the senate intel committee saying there could be cells inside this country

is it something where they become more radicalized once they go over to iraq or syria and come back evenmore radicalized than when they went over? >> reporter: it's not so much the chances of dying. in both cases, you're probably going to die. it is, what do they think they can achieve with the death? if you're a radical and living in madrid or some small city in france and you dream of joining the calipha trkste and fighting to defend your prophet and listen to all of the propaganda that's online, you can either pack up a bag, come generally here to istanbul, make your way to the border border, cross into syria and die, what will very likely be an anonymous death, killed by some sort of u.s. air strike or as just happened in paris, you can get together with some like-minded individuals, maybe a family member, carry out an attack and suddenly they're holding mock burials for you in pakistan, there are protests like there were here in istanbul with people coming out and singing your praises. so you're going to die, anyway. it is what do you think you achieve with that sacrifice? >> more b

. >> and it's easy to go from france to turkey or bulgaria and then wind up let's say, in syria or iraqmplicated, is it? >> no, it's not. you can drive, you can fly, you can catch the rail. it's -- that's the beauty of europe. but at the same time when you start getting close to places like syria that are literally -- we'd call those safe havens that's where i believe we need to tighten and close the borders to not allow people in and out. >> james reese, bob baer, guys, thanks very much. >>> up next a u.s. senator, son of cuban immigrants marco rubio tells me what he thinks about president obama's cuba deal my 101 sitdown with the republican from florida is next. >>> welcome back. he's a potential presidential candidate for 2016 but senator marco rubio's stance on immigration could be a potential sticking point among some conservatives and republicans. in 2013 he sponsored -- co-sponsored the failed bill. but as he told me in an interview, he now sees a different way forward. let's talk about immigration. a sensitive issue. do you regret having supported comprehensive immigration refor

french authorities for more background on both of them, specifically, whether or not they travel to syria or iraq recently. >> and that, he was put on trial. i think it was 2008 for trying to encourage others to go overseas to iraq and try to go himself. i think he was sentenced to 18 months but he had already served time while awaiting trial, so didn't actually do any extra prison time as i have read. >> reporter: well, this is somebody who was sort of in and out of the prison system. i mean, in the court, in the trial, he actually described himself as a bit of a delinquent, as somebody who is always having run-ins with the law. but found the sort of extreme version of islam that he followed and was further exposed to within the prison system. so this is something that french authorities are now looking to, if he was radicalized this way and if he did travel. there was planning, organization, the heavy weapons, looks like ak-47s in the video, flat jackets. the question, where did they get the materials, weapons, and did they get training, if so, where did they get that training? >> yeah, atika s

by most militants as waging all-out war against -- i mean whether it's mali chad north africa syria, or iraqrance now is fully engaged in the war against the so-called jihadist jihadists. and they have called on muslims living in france to carry out attacks against the state that is targeting jihadists. .1. .2, what people don't realize, the newspaper charlie, in the eyes of militants of al-qaeda variety, charlie is the symbol of the french state, the so-called -- they view it as the kind of hyper secularism how the state itself is imposing hypersecularism, and humiliating islamic values. so again, there is a cultural component. the three attackers represents a dominant narrative among militants who view france as launching a military campaign but also a campaign to impose its values on the militants. >> we know these suspects were of north african decent. how dpuz this raise questions about a marginalization, and the isolation of people in certain communities. >> the dominant question by the western media is what is the responsibility of islam? can we blame islam. when i look at the muslim

they think core al qaeda fighting in pakistan, syria or iraq where al qaeda has strongholds.nt so yemen, got trainings got direction. got some direction. this is possible to now look at this you can be a core member of core al qaeda and be living in europe. melissa: what does it mean if you change the definition? does it change the treatment? what is your point beyond that. >> absolutely. if these are only people inspired by al qaeda it is a purely a law enforcement problem. if these are core members of al qaeda it become as bigger military problem. i don't want to get into the domestic use of military force but europe is rife with young adherents of al qaeda and isis. gone into syria, gone into iraq and gotten radicalized trained and financed and going back to continental europe. we can expect more of these attacks and need to take them seriously. the need we need to take it seriously. we need to attack these people in safe havens in syria, afghanistan and pakistan. can't wait for them to get back to continental europe. melissa: christian, that is quite a road to go down. we

either foreigners need to be monitored linked to the jihadist networks linked to syria or iraq and increased in one single year. >>> in paris, 1300 people he mentioned, how else will france bolser their terrorism capabilities. >> it's 1300 involved in the networks, in other words, people who have gone out or are there or coming back. overall that needs to be monitored, much bigger than that at 3,000, including people in older pre-existing islamic networks. and onewhat is haven't from the coulibaly attacks, others need to be followed. the brothers were monitored much earlier and too much emphasis on the syrian networks that are new and not enough on the older one. 3,000 that he said was a step change a change of scale in the amount of work required of the securities services. so there is above all, this big boost in the means that the security services will have over the next two or three years. as you say, 2.5,000 more officers will be recruited. partly raw boots on the ground to follow people to monitor people but more importantly, perhaps, people who can make sense of the mass of informati

french police estimate that around 300 french nationals are in either syria or iraq at the moment fighting for isis. so this is a big problem in france, in germany. and of course, these suspects would be anywhere at the moment. they were heading north of here at speed along motorways. they could be in belgium by now. it's not just a french issue. this is a northern european manhunt. >> bill neely, thank you for staying late and joining us on this incredible day. thank you very much. joining me now from washington s nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. what are we learning in washington from the fbi and from the defense and intelligence sources who are looking at this? >> well, a couple of things. number one is as soon as the french authorities got the names the u.s. was going back and looking to see if there was any possible connection between this attack and people in the u.s. and they say tonight, they haven't found any, that they've been looking at their databases and don't see at this point any contact between the suspects in france and people in the u.s., that's thing one. th

from overseas they're very dramatic and out in the desert area or clearly in a location that is syria or iraq. here we've got a guy who is probably in his suburban bedroom in froons who is sort of self-identifying with isis and this has been put out by somebody of his on a jihadist militant site. that's my take. i don't think this is indication that he went to syria and was trained by isis. that doesn't preclude the idea he might have but in this video itself is t would be unusual for an isis fighter in syria not to show him doing something much more dramatic than what we see in this video, jake. >> peter, the kouachi brothers were obviously known to french authorities. one of them had done time in prison for trying to recruit jihadis to fight against american soldiers in iraq. i believe it was in 2008 one of them had traveled to yemen to train. french intelligence is being criticized now, rising voices in the media and counterterrorism experts saying that they missed a lot of warning signs. what's your reaction? >> well i think that's true but i think in almost any major terrorist event when