the gunmen look like seasoned veterans who stepped right off the battlefield of iraq, syria or yemen. or at the very least are mimicking the propaganda videos of militant groups to a t. al qaeda and isis both place a growing value on propaganda. not just as advertising, but to turn their supporters into deadly weapons. both groups publish slick competing online magazines in english. both have been telling would-be recruits not to come to the front lines in the middle east anymore but to stay at home and attack civilian targets. al qaeda's branch in yemen, the same group that killed an american reporter last month, specifically marked the editor of charlie hebdo for death in 2013. his magazine has infuriated moderates for printing anti-islamic material repeatedly. al qaeda in yemen said it would make the magazine pay for it. also on its hit list, other activists who criticized radical islam including long time target salomon rushdie. in a statement he said, i stand with charlie hebdo as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyra

the problem with this sheer number of people who have gone or may be planning to go fight in syria or yemen or elsewhere, just the resources needed to actually monitor them around the clock would be overwhelming. >> and it's not just the resources to monitor them but it's the resources to protect potential targets. we know there was a policeman here parked for several months outside of charlie hebdo that several weeks ago, that security, that surveillance operation was downgraded to just a security detail of the editor who sadly was among the 12 murdered. so it is a question of resources, of surveillance of policing of protection. but also it's going to have to be a national conversation in this country. a national conversation directed at the muslim community of how you go about solving the issue, not just with law enforcement, but with outreach. that's going to have to be part of it too. >> to that end, they've had, as you've seen so many people come out on to the streets. they are really fighting back in this country. they're not lying down and taking it. people are not afraid. they're s

the problem really occurs when these people disappear in syria or yemen. there are legitimate schools, you can study arabic or islam, the moderate form of it. but without a government in yemen or syria, we don't know what they're doing there. they simply wander out out of the capital of yemen, up into the mountains, go into a training camp. the government has no sources in these training camps. and they disappear for six months. i think the two shooters at the magazine that hit the magazine, the cartoonists, were clearly trained in a camp. there was a very professional attack. but there's no way for western intelligence to figure out what they're doing in these countries. >> and i want to ask you too, now there are reports of so-called sleeper cells being activated. exactly what does that mean? >> that means there are probably isolated groups in france that are armed, maybe with automatic weapons or even bombs, that have been given orders to carry out a follow-on attack to these two attacks. and the french clearly are taking this seriously. they've advised

we have hundreds of young french who have come to syria or to yemen who have been military trained, so we have thousands of people so at any moment we're fearing anybody could go [speaking foreign language] and it happened. >> and let me ask you about that. i know french authorities were watching both kouachi brothers at some point. they were on the american no-fly list. did the united states share all of its information with you in advance? did you know everything the united states knew? >> by definition i don't know because i'm not working in the intelligence field, but what i know and what actually president obama told me is that the intelligence sharing between the two countrys is working well. there is always room for improvement but we've been working very well. >> let me ask you about the key question. part of the problem is both brothers were known to french intelligence at some point in time you know in part because of involvement in trying to free a terrorist and perhaps because of travels and they went off the radar because they weren't blatantly violating the law but travel

do you know whether, in fact they both or one of them was in syria or iraq or yemen or some place else? >> you know i don't think we know definitively yet whether either of the brothers traveled to syria or yemen. that's obviously something that we're desperately eager to find out. i'm confident we will get to the bottom of that in fairly short order. obviously if that's the case, it would be some of our worst fears materialized about foreign fighters coming home. we saw that in the attack in belgium belgium. that's something of keen interest to all of us particularly when you consider that they do appear to have some kind of military training. and the question is where did they get that? and if, indeed they were able to train themselves purely domestically within france that would be a different kind of a concern. >> do you know if this terror attack against this policewoman in southern suburb of paris today is linked to what happened yesterday? >> you know i don't know definitively whether there's a link or not and, of course even if none of the same players were involved in that att

does it really take to investigate two or three suspicious guys who may have just come back from syria or yemenu know these people were there, one or two. how many trained federal law enforcement types does it take to undertake constant surveillance? >> well, wolf when i was assigned to paris i worked with the french police on surveillance. one case we had was counter intelligence. the french put a hundred people on the street. you simply don't follow people around. it's not like one guy wandering around the suburbs watching another person. you need hundreds of people. the french the problem they have they run out of resources and then they move down the list to a more threat -- what seems like a more threatening target. so i completely sympathize on this. you can't watch 5,000 suspects or however many there are in france with that number of people with the size of their police force. there's not much you can do about it. >> there certainly isn't. obviously they're learning lessons from what has just happened. bob, stay with us. we have much more on the breaking news coming out. plus police are

the sheer number of suspects who have traveled overseas to syria or yemen or jihad are simply too many for law enforcement to all have this tier one suspects who they can follow around the clock. >> it's a very complicated situation. in the ingredients for radicalization remain the same, then the outcome is going to remain the same. two, you're not going to have -- are happening all the time on a daily basis. we kill, steal, rob. so that's just the reality of how it is. number three, we have to take i would suggest soft approach and hard approach. soft approach revolves around debunking extremist ideology from the perspective. it's like a cycle. every time this happens, muslims are demanding, we've got to speak out and when we do, people say, well, muslims don't speak out enough. so it's a very difficult situation even for muslims. we want people to realize these people are majorities. they consider the majority of muslims as not muslim enough. so, even the condemning can only go so far. of course, law enforcement is not the magic bullet so to speak. but law enforcement action you know

different than al qaeda planning an attack from pakistan, syria, or yemen sending people to stage attacks. you mentioned what intelligence fishes say they worry about. we do hear from intelligence officials in the united states and in europe that there is concern about these western fighters going to fight in syria and then going back. whether it be mostly now to western europe. that is what happened in belgium. some of these people believed to come to syria in staged attacks there. could that not happen in the united states as well? >> absolutely it could happen. it could happen tomorrow later today. there's no question about that. perspective is important. this represents the special case in the sense you have a perfect storm brewing there. you have antiimmigration and sentiment building large and grieved and alienated muslim community. you have proximity to the region and the ease and lack of restrictions on movement within the continent itself. we're a much harder target. not impossible to be sure. we've seen it not impossible. there's no question about that again, i think we've got t

the inspired threat can be just as impactful as those who are trained in syria or yemen. >> why is thate impactful? >> well even though there are thousands that traveled to syria to fight, a lot of them from europe and maybe 100 or so from america, there are thousands upon thousands who can be inspired here in the states, in canada from thousands of miles away. so they don't have to travel. they can be inspired here. as we saw with those two brothers in boston. >> how do you combat against that? a constant challenge, isn't it? >> in new york, more so than any other city in america, with the exception of l.a., which i was the chief of a number of years ago. we created the camera to his room -- counterterrorism capability in l.a. most american cities don't have the resources we have here. it is a growing threat, a growing concern. >> the question has been raised, whether because of limited resources that the paris police had been forced to cut back on some of the things they wanted to do. >> that's some of the early stories. we're waiting on the analysis of the investigation. could it hav

when they come back, when these young boys, young men go off to wage jihad and they go off to syria or to yemen, et cetera, when they come back, what to -- europe and the world, should they be worried about. we have seen that they have training, the kouachi brothers were training in yemen by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they are coordinated, we have seem them walking around with weaponry, so these are all topics that need to be discussed. and alongside that, maybe a discussion, a national debate about how you tackle that without stigmatizing the muslim community and making sure you don't see the rise of islamaphobia. we have seen the rise of the far right and many worried about that here in france. rosy? >> interesting, you mentioned, they have been banned from this unity march, hasn't she? i do want to touch on the security, because it will be top priority here. how on earth are they going to be organizing this? >> reporter: absolutely. she has gained strength and heart, given the fact that these attacks were, you know, committed by these young muslim men. so of course, that's a huge con

the gunman look like seasoned veterans who stepped right off the battlefields of iraq, syria or yemeneos of terror groups to a tee. not just as advertising but to turn their supporters into deadly weapons. both groups publish slick competing online magazines in english. both have been telling would be recruits not to come to the front lines in the middle east anymore but to stay at home and attack civilian targets. al qaeda's branch in yemen, the same group that killed an american reporter last month, specifically marked the editor of charlie hebdo for death in 2013. his magazine has infuriated them for printing anti-islamic material repeatedly. al qaeda in emweren said it would make the magazine pay for it. also on its hit list other activists who have criticized radical islam, including longtime target soleman rushdie. he said i stand with charlie as we all must. there has been a spate of recent attacks. the gunman in canada the man with the ax in new york, the attack in a cafe in sydney. all inspired by islamic militants to take matters into their own hands. >> the more innocents w

wanted to fill eight with a terrorist organization would go to a place like iraq, afghanistan, syria or yemen and join the organization and become a foot soldier in that organization but what we've seen in both europe and the united states, there are three other ways people get radicalized. the first is going and learning things from an organization and coming back. we saw that with the times square bomber. thirdsecond is online relationship with spiritual mentor that pushes you to violence. we saw that with nidal hasan and awlaki. and self-radicalization and something i called resonant effects, we saw that with the boston mayor mon bombers the tsarnaev brothers up in boston. what police and intelligence services want to do after the threat is neutralized, which one of these three patterns these algerian brothers fit into and align their response to the particular threat that is presented and the threats are very dirt, the tools you use to address each of those threats are very different. jon: there has been a lot of speculation about whether the kind of attack that paris saw could happen in

if these terrorist suspects were trained and financed by terror organizations in syria or yemen, then should they change their game plan in taking out organizations in the arabian peninsula? general jack cain is joining us. good to see you, sir. >> glad to be here. >> first your reaction to the latest news coming out of israel that they've isolated their attack cell in that country. >> clearly isis is on the move. in syria it's gained territory in just the last six months. they clearly have designs on the gulf space as well and clearly israel is a state they want to destroy. it's not an immediate objective for them but they began two years ago undermining iraq and they began two and a half years ago undermining syria before they lost a serious attack against them. so this is probably a strategy to put cells in and start causing trouble. >> one other bit of breaking news i want to get your reaction to. isis apparently released 200 elderly and sick yazitis on saturday. that's the first time we've seen any inch of compassion if it was compassion on the part of isis. what do you make of

we've heard numbers between 400 and 1,500 french nationals who have made their way to either syria or yemen similar kinds of training. and when you say "it's coming," then what can law enforcement do if not to be able to prevent or get ahead of the attacks, but what can law enforcement do to in some way, you know impact those who are getting the training to carry out these attacks? >> well fredericka you have to realize, we're in far, far greater shape today in the intelligence networks that we have. and our global reach of intelligence than we were on september 10th of 2011. >> what do you mean by that? >> there's a lot more coordination. there's a lot more intelligence gathering. there's a lot more communication between local, state and federal authorities. and there's an enormous amount of coordination between the united states and abroad that we didn't have prior to september 11th, 2001. that being said i think we're in better shape to collect intelligence and go after some of these people identify them. but more importantly, i think we have to look at our legislators and go after these

we talk about them going to yemen, going to syria or getting some type of training. it will be important to know just how serious was that training because that will give you an indication of what you're dealing with at each individual scene. as far as the intelligence operations from the scene itself it's very critical as far as the amount of information that you're going to garner from the conversations, the brothers may be having. that's something that if i was on the scene i'd be sbreted in knowing the relationship between the brothers, who's the lead, who's the backup. there there an opportunity to maybe get between the two of them? >> so that's something as a negotiator you want to understand, the actual dynamics of the brother's relationship and use that as a negotiator? >> i think that's important. is it the younger brother, the older brother, what are the comments being made the? there seems to be some conflict between the brothers when you look at the situation yesterday when the -- one of the brothers yelled to the other one "we don't kill women." so there

this is a very active war and is not confined to isis or in syria or in iraq or to yemen. it's something that is spilling over into western civilized societies, and it makes it very very difficult for us to plan prevention activities. police meet every day and talk about the intelligence but the old adage there was no specific intelligence of an incident occurring in boston and other places and then it occurs it's troubling. >> you know, chief, we always hear this stuff that the warnings go unheeded and what have you, but i always wonder whether we're so focused on planes and damage, that kind of terror attack, even with reminders with what happened in paris and what happened in another was we don't think that kind of thing, even with the incident in boston, is as much of a threat here. do you find that a little cavalier? >> right. i do. and i think that we can't fight the last war. we have to be looking forward as to what the latest threat is and what is going to happen next. and in looking at the attacks with small arms fire these are very effective high casualty rate at

inspired and can be just as impactful as those who were trained or have the ability to train in syria or yemen. rose: why is that? >> i'm sorry? reportsrose why is that more impactful? >> well, even though there are thousands that have traveled to syria to fight, a lot of them from europe and it may be 100 or so from america that there are thousands upon thousands who can be inspired here in the state, in canada from thousands of miles away. so they don't have to travel to learn. they can be inspired here as we saw with those two brothers in boston they can learn. rose: how do you combat against that? >> that's a constants challenge. >> isn't it? rose: yeah. >> in new york certainly more so than any other city in america with the exception of l.a. which i also had the privilege of being chief of a number of years ago, john mil and i created the capability in l.a. that it runs a close second to the capabilities here in new york. most american cities don't have the resources that we have here. so that is a growing threat a growing concern rose: one of the questions that has been raised is whethe

i don't agree with senator mccain when he is getting in the middle of the war in syria or yemen.we have to work with our allies to contain it as much as possible. but the second issue, and this is what is terrifying people is the one-off events of horrible terrorist activity like in paris. and that is why i say, we've got to get a long-term homeland security funding bill out of this republican congress. because what we're afraid of -- a lot of americans are afraid of is could that happen here if you had a lone terrorists or a couple working together to go to a soft target and kill a lot of innocent people. so let's get a homeland security bill. >> and you talk about homeland security and the american public is listening and so it the american people and i want to play a moment from george w. bush's 2002 state of the union. take a listen. >> states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world by seeking weapons of mass destruction. these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. >> that axis he was talking about, north

in small cells or if there's a major plan by any of these terrorists organizations, whether in syria or yemensly there's probably a mix of both. as we've seen in france, these people have been traveling, entertained close contacts with the highest level of the terrorist attacks. in belgium it seems to be the same situation. so the investigations are pending and this will be, of course, determined in several days or weeks. >> jean charles, i want to get your perspective on this. i asked a anti-terrorism person what do you do about the broets who went to europe but yr years laid low. he said, you give them something they can bite and you take them down. we recently saw this in the u.s. with a ohio man who was arrested who had allegedly been platting to kill officials a the capitol build. do you think that is the solution for these people who are under surveillance in europe, given the manpower issues as well? >> exactly. well, the main issue is these individuals have learned, being in contact with terrorists organizations, how to go underground. so even if you put them under surveillance, and w

look at the range of threats and the range of groups, whether in pakistan afghanistan or in the middle east yemen syria or across north africa we have been focused at the national counterterrorism center which of the groups are focused on carrying out attacks in the united states or for that fact europe and apaq is the group we're most concerned about and also i.s.i.s. that's come on the scene in the last year. >> charlie: among other things, they're calling for young men and women to attack. >> exactly. unfortunately, the attack in paris in some ways is the culmination of trends that we've seen over the past several years. the calling for, as you say charlie, smaller-scale attacks. so these groups in yemen, for example saying wherever you are, carry out jihad there. don't travel to yemen or communicate with us because that's how you get caught. >> charlie: and don't wait for instructions from us. >> right. we can inspire you, send you instructions online, through their magazine, for example but just carry out an attack. it may be a small-scale attack but a tragic heathle attack nonetheless. >> charlie

trained with isis in syria and they are taking ids from people suspected for traveling abroad with terror in mind. >> the fighters who are going broad whether it's to iraq, syria, yemen or elsewhere really do pose a threat and so counterterrorism officials are taking no chances. >> just yesterday officers in belgium killed two terror suspects and arrested another they say were planning large scale attacks on police. >>> in france today hundreds gathered to say good-bye to the charlie hebdo editor killed in the newspaper massacre. secretary of state john kerry also visited the french capital and he took a moment to remember the victims. >> we will turn this moment of profound loss into lasting commitment. >> officials have not linked the latest arrests in belgium to the terror attacks in paris that killed 17 people last week. >>> president obama and british prime minister british cameron wrapped up two days of meetings at the white house. at a joint news conference this afternoon the president says the recent terror attacks underscore the need for cooperation not only in the fight against terrorism, but against homegrown violent extremism and the use of social media by t

what about the guy who came in last month from syria or iraq or yemen.f the fascinating aspects of this. what were these operatives waiting for. why didn't they operate. i suspect one of the things the investigation will show is that investigators said we can't follow these guys around forever, if we're not certain they are up to something. >> paul cruickshank, the estimated number of foreign fighters who have returned from iraq and syria to france is roughly 500. how can they even prioritize targets in a pool that big? >> it's about 200 to france more than 500 for the whole of the european union. you're right, it's very very difficult to prioritize to figure out who you're going to watch and it's really as phil was saying more of an art than a science. often the information is very fragmentary indeed. in belgium we have just seen a very significant counterterrorism operation, the thwarting of what belgians now believe was a major ambitious terrorist attack possibly against a sensitive target in belgium. it was a big counterterrorism success from the bel

at the range of threats and the range of groups in pakistan or afghanistan or the middle east or yemen or syriar cross north africa, we have been very focused, and i was very focused at the national terrorism center, for attacks in europe or the united states. we are concerned about tax there and also isis. >> they are calling for young men and women to attack. >> unfortunately, the attack in paris is in some way that culmination of trends that we have seen over the last several years. they are calling for, as you say charlie, smaller scale attacks. they are saying, what ever you are, travel -- carry out jihad there, don't travel to us. we are going to inspire you, we can send you instructions online, through their magazine for example, but just carry out an attack. it may be a small scale attack but it will be an attack nonetheless. >> why do some of people want to go to syria and have gone to syria and have received military training. syria seems to be the place? >> syria has been a magnet for extremist over the last couple of years. it approaches over 18,000 total foreign fighters. going to

the sheer volume of potential suspects here, people who have either traveled to syria or to yemen or't even left this country is frankly overwhelming french intelligence and the judicial system. >> yes, everyone. listen. we have today, 1200 individuals involved in those networks since 2012. meaning those who traveled to syria and iraq, those who returned, those who were vved in recruiting networks in france or support networks, in addition to that, we have 3,000 people potentially. that's the latest estimate of the intelligence services from three months ago of the people radicalized that might get involved in violence activities. >> and tracking all of them, i mean, you can't have manpower tracking them around the clock. >> it's impossible. two things you need. first, good reason. meaning evidence. you need information, specific information. saying that these individuals might be involved in violent activities. second, you need resources. just individuals 24 hours a day, you need 25 agents. >> 25 agents to track one person in 24 hours. >> yes because you need to track him physically

or from raqqa, syria directed this and had agents. this is also what i call the jihadist veterans of foreign war. people who have been, as evan was saying earlier, they come from yemenr mali or iraq or syria, they have some experience. they've returned to their home country. now they've banded together. may have they've tapped into their networks a little bit but central command al qaeda doesn't know anything about this. or it's possible these are lone wolves. these could be native born french citizens who have never left france who have police or army training and decided to use that because they've been radicalized in a mosque somewhere in paris. >> how do you take all that information and then try to come up with a theory of how to find these people? they seem to have some training maybe not that much training? it wasn't a suicide attack. where do you go for that information if you're the french authorities how to stop the next attack? >> it's a million dollar question. it's complex. the fact you don't need a passport to cross borders in the european union makes trafficking quite easy. whether it's the access of finance or access of ak-47s or training or pulling

>> how many americans have gone over there whether to iraq or syria or yemen, and coxme back to the unitedis country? >> the effort mats are in the hundreds. we don't have an exact figure. we know there's an individual in florida that traveled, came back to the u.s. spent time here and went back again. my bigger point is certainly those individuals bear watching but you have individuals who perhaps have never traveled anywhere in the middle east who are radicalized online. the latest edition of "inspire" magazine an online magazine posted by al qaeda includes detailed instructions on how to build a nonmetallic explosive device which you could theoretically get on an airplane or something like that. you don't have to travel to the middle east anymore to become radicalized or gain access to this information and ultimately carry out an attack. >> we'll have more on my interview with senator rubio in the next hour including his thoughts on a possible run for the white house. we have much more ahead on the hunt for paris terrorists and their accomplices. we're going to tell you what we've learn

. >> these fighters who are going abroad whether it's to iraq, syria, yemen or elsewhere, really do pose a threat and so counter-terrorism officials are taking no chances. >> belgian authorities found assault rifles, bomb-making materials, and police uniforms in raids today. they are concerned the terrorists may be trying to pass themselves off as police officers. >>> president obama and british prime minister david cameron are pledging a joint effort to fight terrorism. they wrapped up two days of meetings with a press conference. president obama says homegrown violent extremism is a chief concern after the deadly attacks in paris last week. both leaders want companies like facebook and google to joint anti-terrorism efforts. >> social media and the internet is the primary way in which these terrorists organizations are communicating. now, that's no different than anybody else, but they are good at it. >> the two leaders are also working to keep iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. they warn congress not to move ahead with sanctions while talks are under way. >>> coming up the spectacu

the hit recently but we know that at least one of the kouachi brothers has travelled to syria or travelled to yemen in 2011 likely met with al-laki. the mere fact that they claimed responsibility for the credit at least tells us that the group had somewhat of a prior college to this even if it was years ago and perhaps capitalized on the mere fact that the -- >> obviously there are two drivers that are still unaccounted for, whoever was driving to the attack that took place on "charlie hebdo." those people still unaccounted for as well as one of the most wanted people clearly in europe. hang on for me. i want to bring katie tur back in. we are looking at amateur video of the raid that took place in eastern belgium. a fairly public operation it does seem especially since an amateur was able to capture it on video. >> it seems like it was in a neighborhood neighborhood. i am reading reports that the police came in before the attack and said to get inside and to take cover. there was a warning before this happened and a little bit of video out of belgium tv that appeared to show the apartment still on

out of the arab spring or arab revolutions is that these dictatorships are going to come under pressure in any event. you've had the dictatorships in tunisia libya egypt yemen syria either removed or under intense pressure and what this in my view shows you you're dealing with a deeper problem in which you are going to have to build capacity in these countries to govern. you're going to have to try and have the force capability to defeat the extremists and then there's the wider problem of islamism and what do you do with it? i will say this to people. the miscalculation made after 9/11 and i was in power then, was that if you got rid of the dictatorship then the problem you know you gave people a democratic process give you unlimited support then things should have worked in a reasonably easy day as indeed they did in kosovo and serbia. the difference is i think what you can see now when you look back over decades the problem has grown it's come to a boiling point if you like when the taliban allowed al qaeda to use afghanistan as a training ground and you can have a debate about who's responsible for iraq and whether the decisions we took were right or not. but

based on what they believe is the level of radicalization of individuals, whether or not they've travelled to syria, yemen or some other place and figure out who they really need to keep an eye on and who they don't. the danger is even if french officials do a very good job it's unlikely they're going to be perfect. that's the dangerous world of counter terrorism. you have to try to be perfect all the time. that's not humanly possible. >> impossible. thank you so much for your time. i appreciate you this afternoon. >>> we move on to another huge story to israel and a terror attack a board a bus in tel aviv. this mass stabbing was captured on video. it's obviously tufough to watch. you can see her stabbed several times. she is one of nine who were wounded. the suspect is a 23 year-old palestinian from the west bank. he was shot in the leg by police and has since been arrested. hamas praised the attack and called it a daring and heroic attack. israeli officials compared it to attacks in paris and accused the palestinian authority of inciting violence against israelis. speaking of israel the prime minister n

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american law enforcement and intelligence to make sure that they keep tabs on everybody that goes to syria or yemen's so many round about ways to get there. the most popular one has been to go to istanbul and turkey and then work your way into syria. however, it appears that the people going there are on to the fact that the u.s. is closely monitoring that and they're looking at other ways to get there. so the ease of travel in europe into syria is a huge challenge, but the fact that authorities say that one of the two brothers who was involved in the paris shooting was able to get to yemen, spend some time there and come back, in a way i think that's going to be a more difficult thing for the french government to answer, although, again, as one former prosecutor once said in france, if france has become a huge black hole sucking in all these people who want to come to france and engage in jihad, it's an enormous challenge for them. but i suspect that that's where a lot of the attention will be focused. >> that's right. also, to be fair, the younger brother is the one who had spent time in prison t

she could secrete herself out of the country and try to get to terrorists somewhere in iraq or yemen or syriar north africa. >> jim, does it make sense the reports or speculation that these two sieges that were happening at the same time the kosher grocery store and the printing facility that there was communication between the two somehow, and that mr. kul bali when was in the grocery store said if you make a charge or go after the two brothers that are in the printing facility, i will kill all the hostages here. i mean which really tied the hands of the french police for a while. does that make sense to you? >> right, look i've been on these barricades. one of the hardest things to do for the on-scene commander is to lock down communications in the modern cell phone era. years ago, we used to just grab their phone. we had a way to get the phone, we got on the phone line we hooked up our hostage rescue phone and we could talk to the barricaded suspect. now you can't do that because every person in there has a cell phone. even if you cut the electricity, everybody has a cell phone. on the cel

and did the shooters learn to shoot so effectively in syria or iraq or yemen? and what about the

under consideration but the focus on the two brothers were inspired or directed by al-qaeda either in yemen, pakistan or safe haven in syriand iraq. u.s. officials confirm the brothers were known to french intelligence. they were a follower of al-qaeda in iraq. investigators are drilling down on the men's contacts and overseas travel with yemen, a high priority. and a leading member of the house intelligence committee said the fact that they were known for the enteleigence service shoes the value of surveillance in the muslim community. >> only way to have real protection is have intelligence. and and hope of security is have intelligence. to think that you are going to have police officers stationed at stops that is a need until a haystack. >> reporter: fox news confirmed that not all of the suspects were on the no fly list and with a french passport, they could freely enter the u.s. it was now the case with three suspects john. >> kathryn thank you. >> and of all of the european countries, france has the most muslims, eight percent of the population. of all of the muslims who travel from europe most came from france. we

way to commit such terrible attacks i think there is one option that they have been trained in yemen or syria or somewhere else, but i think the other question, where they got the weapons from, unfortunately, it is so possible to get such weapons somewhere in europe. >> do you think that france is especially at risk among european nations for homegrown terrorism, or are other countries very much at risk as well? >> i think france has a really strong engagement in some of these countries. they may have a special risk, but, also, other european countries -- and this is not a new situation. they are well aware that other countries have a severe risk. >> thank you very much. >> as our correspondent mentioned a short while ago the french president did give a statement to the nation. >> he described what happened at the paris supermarket as "an appalling anti-semitic act." he described the attack is as fanatics who have nothing to do with the religion of islam. he said once good cook with the challenges but that the country will continue to face that -- he said that france could cope with the chall

. >> these fighters going abroad whether it's to iraq, syria, yemen or elsewhere really do pose a threatials are taking no chances. >> reporter: officials have not linked the latest arrests to the attacks in paris last week that killed 17 people. on friday, hundreds gathered to say good-bye to the charlie hebdo editor killed in the newspaper massacre. secretary of state john kerry also visited the french capital and took a moment to remember the victims. >> we will turn this moment of profound loss into lasting commitment. >> reporter: during thursday's terror raids, belgian authorities found assault rifles, bomb-making materials and police uniforms raising concerns terrorists may be trying to pass themselves off as police officers. tina kraus, cbs news. >> cbs news has learned belgian police are looking for several more people who trained with "islamic state" fighters in syria. >>> president obama and britain's prime minister wrapped up talks today about their joint effort to fight terrorism. the leaders met for two days at the white house. president obama says that homegrown violent ex

. >> these fighters who are going abroad whether it's to iraq, syria, yemen or elsewhere really pose a threat. so counterterrorism officials are taking no chances. >> reporter: officials have not linked the latest arrests to the attacks in paris last week that killed 17 people. on friday hundreds gathered to say good-bye to the charlie hebdo editor killed in the newspaper massacre. secretary of state john kerry also visited the french capitol and took a moment to remember the victim. >> we will turn this moment of profound loss into lasting commitment. >> reporter: during thursday's terror raid belgium authorities found assault rifles, bomb making materials and police uniforms raising concerns terrorists may be trying to pass themselves off as police officers. >> the head of europe's law enforcement agency says stopping terror attacks has become extremely difficult because europe is home to nearly 5,000 radicalized muslim extremists who have little command structures and are increasingly sophisticated. >>> today maryland governor martin o'malley gave the media a chance to ask him abo

or whatever that was. the fact that we have so many western nationals from europe and america that have gone to places like syria yemen afghanistan or libya to train and come back, isn't our bigger problem now the fact that we have the sleeper cells to deal with? >> right. >> we're fighting on ult inging on multiple fronts. >> yeah, i mean, these aren't people that weren't born people. these are radicalized citizens which means why we need the nsa. we need people to track these people because they are not foreigners. they are here. they're radicalized in prison. you know the media creates a strawman army. whenever you condemn radical islam, what they do is they say, but there are millions of peaceful muslims. so why do you say this? but did it ever occur to you that there can be both? there are peaceful muslims and there are bad ones? and every time sathat you say that, you are making it harder and harder for the peaceful muslims to actually stand up and fight the nonpeaceful ones by combining them together. they use children to kill. you cannot have a summit on tolerance to dissuade people from using children to blow

we have in france hundreds of young people who came to syria or who came to yemen and who are getting their military training, so it's a very, very specific threat because we don't know when these people are coming back and whether they are coming back, and we don't know whether these radical people are going suddenly to become terrorists. so, for the moment, i don't, you know -- it's simply -- it's very likely, unfortunately, that we are going to face other attempts of terrorist acts. the president of the french republic has said, we are not over with it. and all of us, the europeans, but also the americans, when president obama came to the french embassy, he told me, he said, we are all vulnerable. >> so what do you do? as you point out, these thousands of young men, some women potentially, as well, are woven into the fabric of your society. your prime minister says you are at war with radical islam. how do you prevent this war from being a war against islam? >> i think, you know, we need a global strategy. on one side there is the military response in iraq and in yemen. we need inf

and did the shooters learn to shoot so effectively in syria or iraq or yemen? and what about the 100 americans who have gone to the battlefields overseas who may have the same training and twisted views and ability to pull off an attack like this here in the u.s.? are we -- is our government -- doing a better job keeping track of them? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with breaking news in our world lead and the still ongoing, still frenzied search for these two terrorists. nearly 90,000 police officers have been deployed across france many of them rummaging through rural villages north of paris trying to apprehend the two, cherif and said kouachi. the men french authorities have identified as the terrorist who is slaughtered 12 people in cold blood yesterday. a gas station attendant 55 miles north of paris says that he thinks the brothers held him up at gunpoint stealing gas and food before speeding away. now police have set up a perimeter, a circle of checkpoints as they rush to box in these two fanatics before they c