. >> annie levy before her treatment. >> i had lost my faith because of anxiety. i was just terrified. i was so anxious that it was hard to think about anything else. yes thinkists so worried about death, but i was worried about the process of dying, about suffering and being in pain and having all kind of horrible medical procedures. it was very gentle and there were people right there if i got upset. i certainly felt that if anything scary happened i wasn't alone. but with my eyes covered, i saw patterns and visions and sort of faces. i thought about being involved with people i love and everything looked absolutely beautiful. >> when we came back it was like someone had put on a light bulb inside annie's head. she was literally glowing. >> i felt wonderful. >> here to discuss this more on skype from torens california is dr. charles grove at the ucla school of medicine. he has been a frontrunner in psyche deltic research. he is here to share experiences with patients. >> james girodano at georgetown university. thank you for being here. dr. grove, when you think