. >> brad bryon, i'm on the rand icj board. this question is for simon. maybe this violates the -- i hope it doesn't violate the tenet of setting politics aside, but we've established teddy roosevelt was a leader. simon, who do you think under the last 50, 60 years would qualify? >> well, if we're going the talk current history, i got nothing. [laughter] you know? >> ow. >> i got nothing. you know, a leader, whether you agree or disagree with their politic, they seem to stand for something. and if you want to compare the first inaugural of reagan and kennedy's inaugural, they were both crazy islists, you know? -- idealists. that's really the difference how we get to the american ideal. so just go back a few years whether it's margaret thatcher or, you know, ronald reagan they were leaders. they stood for something, and they existed on a level above their own position. i got nothing of a politician now who seems to exist above their own level and more importantly, would actually risk their own career for that thing. you know, the election is everything. an