. >> bruce schneider, we haven't met. answer is yes, very significant. and your own question, it's not the legal framework that's hard, it's the technical framework. my question is also about encryption. it's a perception and a reality quefment we're now living in a world where everybody attacks everybody else's systems. we attack -- we attack systems. china attacks systems. and i'm having trouble with companies not wanting to use u.s. encryption because of the fear that n.s.a., f.b.i., different types of legal and sarpetishes access is making us -- what can we do to convince people that u.s. products are secure, that you're not stealing every single key that you can? >> so first of all we don't. number two my point would be that's the benefit to me of that legal framework approach. hey, look, we have measures of control that are put in place to forestall that. i think it's a very valid concern to say, hey look, are we losing u.s. market segment here? what's the economic impact of this? i certainly acknowledge that it's a valid concern. i just think betw

. >> bruce schneider, we haven't met. answer is yes, very significant. your own question, it's not the legal framework that's hard it's the technical framework. my question is also about encryption. it's a perception and a reality quefment we're now living in a world where everybody attacks everybody else's systems. we attack -- we attack systems. china attacks systems. and i'm having trouble with companies not wanting to use u.s. encryption because of the fear that n.s.a., f.b.i., different types of legal and sarpetishes access is making us -- what can we do to convince people that u.s. products are secure that you're not stealing every single key that you can? >> so first of all we don't. number two, my point would be that's the benefit to me of that legal framework approach. hey, look, we have measures of control that are put in place to forestall that. i think it's a very valid concern to say, hey, look, are we losing u.s. market segment here? what's the economic impact of this? i certainly acknowledge that it's a valid concern. i just think between

. >> bruce schneider, we haven't met, hi. your other question is not a legal framework that's hard as technical primer. that's what makes the problem hard. my question is also about encryption. it's a perception and unreality question. we are now living in the world where everybody attacks everybody else's systems. we attacked systems. china tax systems and i'm having trouble with companies not wanting to use u.s. encryption because of the fear that nsa, fbi, different types of legal and surreptitious access is making us less likely to use those products. what can we do what can intelligence community do to convince people that u.s. products are secure, that you are not stealing every single thing that you can? >> for so we don't. never two, that's the benefits of a legal framework approach. look, with specific measures of control that i put in place to forestall that ability. because i think it's a very valid thing to say look, are we losing u.s. markets? what's the economic impact? i certainly acknowledged that this is a va