i still have my guests and we are rejoined by dr marcy bawers. all of you are here because you are not only familiar with the topic because you are moving it from white house. how do you change something that is so deeply culturally engrained, miriam? >> i think what we are doing now, advocating. it is important. advocating, letting people know that the practice has no health benefits. it only has this - this disadvantage to the human body. i feel like just because we say it into law does not make it illegal, you know. we have to stand up and say anyone that does this will be arrested and prosecuted. countries are doing it, but females are being circumsised and nothing is being done. if they set an example with someone, people will take it into consideration and stop the factor and eradicate it. you were invited by the white house to give your recommendation on female genital mute liesation, what did you tell them? >> we told that that just like they treat other sexual assaults which are gender based on women and girls, we wanted the same thing.