level and i see some names that are reoccurring and i see hardly any names for instance in the latino category. but in the african american category i wouldn't call super great numbers but good numbers especially if you compare it to the population base, people who are residue, you are not supposed to compare population to business representation, if you just use that as a measure, it's sort of on par, especially with the asian categories which is sort of on par, when you look at the latino category, that's clearly an area that we need to look very closely at because the population of latinos in san francisco is on a conservative bases is at least 15 percent, some people would say it's past 20. it could be the latinos are very busy on other projects and if they are not available. that's a concern. >> well, i share your same sentiments in that respect. regarding these size harmonization, i know i have had a discussion with a successful latino contractor that was not awarded the contract because he exceeded the size standard, as an example. it would be good to look at increasing our size standar